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« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2021, 12:26:19 AM »

It seems Roger the outspoken socialist found himself at odds with even himself over money, so a capitalist singing in sarcastic tones about monied people.

"Money interested me enormously," Waters remarked on the twentieth anniversary of Dark Side. "I remember thinking, 'Well, this is it and I have to decide whether I'm really a socialist or not.' I'm still keen on a general welfare society, but I became a capitalist. You have to accept it. I remember coveting a Bentley like crazy. The only way to get something like that was through rock or the football pools. I very much wanted all that material stuff."


Where you see sarcasm I see honesty.

You have your opinion and I have mine, so why the attempted character assassination?

Is it confrontational to point out that your 'facts' are sometimes wrong?

I have no axe to grind here. I don't agree with everything Waters says, but I don't think he's hypocritical.

I DO think George is hypocritical when he supports the Krishna guys and then spends his time looking for sex and living an outrageously wealthy life-style.





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« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2021, 01:06:20 AM »

No doubt when in PF he wrote some very good songs, very talented guy, I find his solo stuff very patchy though. Maybe he needed DG more than he thought :D
The guy is a hypocrite though. I actually like a lot of OF stuff, even The Final Cut.

I think Final Cut is great.  icon_good
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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2021, 02:13:43 AM »


Where you see sarcasm I see honesty.

You have your opinion and I have mine, so why the attempted character assassination?

Is it confrontational to point out that your 'facts' are sometimes wrong?



I think its confrontational to do so in an unfriendly and officious way. I actually stopped doing the Song Of The Week because of you and your terse comments and the way you corrected me in such a manner that made me think "why do I bloody bother" I was enjoying the discussion on the SOTW and getting people's opinions on each song, but then over and over up popped this poster saying "you're wrong about this, you're wrong about that. So I just quit doing it, not worth the aggro.

I dont claim to be a historian, I post what I post and I dont claim to be 100% right, 100% of the time.
Anyway, I post on here because even though its a small amount of posters we are generally friendly and courteous towards each other, not try to point score. I find you the most UNfriendly of posters on here. I really dont mind anyone correcting me in a friendly way (as I would do to them).

I wasn't gonna say these things, but I have.
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« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2021, 04:12:21 AM »

^^^
Yeah I honestly think Roger has become a bit unhinged.
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« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2021, 09:43:31 AM »

I dont claim to be a historian, I post what I post and I dont claim to be 100% right, 100% of the time.
Anyway, I post on here because even though its a small amount of posters we are generally friendly and courteous towards each other, not try to point score. I find you the most UNfriendly of posters on here. I really dont mind anyone correcting me in a friendly way (as I would do to them).

I wasn't gonna say these things, but I have.

And a very Happy Christmas to you too nimrod.

I actually thought we were discussing Pink Floyd and George Harrison here.

My mistake.
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« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2021, 11:30:04 PM »

^^^
Yeah I honestly think Roger has become a bit unhinged.

I'll give Roger one thing, he's not afraid to speak out at his perceived injustices. David Gilmour never seems to say anything about anything. I wonder if he's jealous of Roger's massive songwriting income ;D

George and Roger are hypocritical IN MY OPINION !! but I dont care that much, I like the music that both men produced, (I can live without the Hare Krishna praise though).
I'm not crazy about George's or Roger's solo work but in their respective bands they wrote some great stuff. I'd even say Roger was higher in my estimation, especially as he didn't have a Lennon/McCartney to learn from. But those albums, Animals, WYWH, DSOTM, TFC, The Wall had some superb stuff and I believe they were mainly written by Roger.
That's some going  :o
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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2021, 02:23:02 AM »

generally speaking, most rich artists, rich actors, rich athletes tend to be hypocrites.  Their money, in excess of anything ever needed to lead a hugely wealthy lifestyle (but who am i to decide) could be used for significant gain in many of the charities they profess to preach about.  World hunger, diseases, poverty, some of the artists we talk about write songs, sometimes great songs, about helping, making a difference. 

Peace and Love -  War is over - We are the world

Merry Christmas fellow Beatle fans
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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2021, 06:41:54 AM »

I'll give Roger one thing, he's not afraid to speak out at his perceived injustices. David Gilmour never seems to say anything about anything. I wonder if he's jealous of Roger's massive songwriting income ;D

George and Roger are hypocritical IN MY OPINION !! but I dont care that much, I like the music that both men produced, (I can live without the Hare Krishna praise though).
I'm not crazy about George's or Roger's solo work but in their respective bands they wrote some great stuff. I'd even say Roger was higher in my estimation, especially as he didn't have a Lennon/McCartney to learn from. But those albums, Animals, WYWH, DSOTM, TFC, The Wall had some superb stuff and I believe they were mainly written by Roger.
That's some going  :o

Yeah Roger was great in Pink Floyd. Gilmore was important too but I think the overall direction seemed to be from Roger. And I don’t mind that he’s outspoken, it’s just some things I’ve seen recently he literally looks a bit like he’s untethered from the earth where we all dwell. Maybe I just mistake passion for obsession. .

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« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2021, 05:47:10 PM »

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« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2021, 06:47:31 PM »

I'll give Roger one thing, he's not afraid to speak out at his perceived injustices. David Gilmour never seems to say anything about anything. I wonder if he's jealous of Roger's massive songwriting income

And yet Waters shared the song-writing credit with Gilmour on two of The Wall's most important (and lucrative) songs: Another Brick In The Wall and Comfortably Numb.

Maybe he was recognising the fact that Gilmour's guitar on these songs is absolutely essential to their success.
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« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2021, 09:00:43 PM »

Something tells me Waters and John Lydon (Johnny Rotten) wouldn't get along too well.  ;)

They both sound like strong personalities: https://nypost.com/2021/04/27/sex-pistols-johnny-rotten-calls-woke-activists-lunatics/


That’s cos Johnny has sold out man!

https://youtu.be/zvR2QiJ8wno

God save the Queen indeed. 
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« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2021, 09:09:02 PM »


^^^^

 ;D

I had no idea! That's a tad disheartening.
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« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2021, 12:05:32 AM »

generally speaking, most rich artists, rich actors, rich athletes tend to be hypocrites. 

Sadly, I believe this may be true. Most of them just want to be rich and live like rich people, Roger's remark about coveting his Bentley. Johnny Rotten, his anti establishment rants now look empty. (Empty in a Bentley, haha good lyric)

Ive always admired Neil Young in a way, I didnt like his anti Trump stuff with Crosby etc. though, it was way too political. But Southern Man, Alabama and Four Dead in Ohio were about subjects even I could approve off. Especially the anti Slavery message of those 2 songs.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd song “Sweet Home Alabama” was a defense of the South’s brutal history of slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation. It was a response to Neil Young’s songs “Southern Man” and “Alabama,” which were critical of the South’s history of slavery and oppressing Black people.
In addition to defending the past actions of the South, “Sweet Home Alabama” also invoked support of infamous segregationist Governor George Wallace. I don’t know how you can conclude that, at a minimum, this song isn’t completely racist. I believe they had a Confederate flag at their shows.
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« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2021, 12:30:18 AM »

Sadly, I believe this may be true. Most of them just want to be rich and live like rich people, Roger's remark about coveting his Bentley. Johnny Rotten, his anti establishment rants now look empty. (Empty in a Bentley, haha good lyric)

Ive always admired Neil Young in a way, I didnt like his anti Trump stuff with Crosby etc. though, it was way too political. But Southern Man, Alabama and Four Dead in Ohio were about subjects even I could approve off. Especially the anti Slavery message of those 2 songs.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd song “Sweet Home Alabama” was a defense of the South’s brutal history of slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation. It was a response to Neil Young’s songs “Southern Man” and “Alabama,” which were critical of the South’s history of slavery and oppressing Black people.
In addition to defending the past actions of the South, “Sweet Home Alabama” also invoked support of infamous segregationist Governor George Wallace. I don’t know how you can conclude that, at a minimum, this song isn’t completely racist. I believe they had a Confederate flag at their shows.

Good example. Even from Roger Waters, The Gunners Dream off the Final Cut is a great social commentary song. Doesn’t bash you over the head with a political stance or anything.
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« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2021, 01:37:54 AM »

I believe they had a Confederate flag at their shows.

Well, in all fairness to some (note my qualification there) Southerners, not all who display a Confederate flag are racist. (I'm not commenting on Lynyrd Skynyrd here; I don't know enough about them.) I lived in the South two different times, for several years, and for some people it's simply a matter of pride in their heritage. Of course, that heritage includes slavery and racism, but in my experience (a) all racists endorse the Confederate flag but (b) not everyone who displays a Confederate flag is a racist.

Does that make sense? I've been at the computer too long.

Of course, I'm a born-and-bred Yankee, so what do I know.  ;)
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« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2021, 01:47:51 AM »



Getting—sort of—back on topic for a bit, I see Eric Clapton has taken quite a bit of flak from fellow musicians and fans for his recent political (i.e., anti-lockdown and anti-vax) songs and statements. 
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« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2021, 03:36:28 AM »

Good example. Even from Roger Waters, The Gunners Dream off the Final Cut is a great social commentary song. Doesn’t bash you over the head with a political stance or anything.

Thats my favourite song on there. Beautiful song.
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« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2021, 03:38:12 AM »

Well, in all fairness to some (note my qualification there) Southerners, not all who display a Confederate flag are racist. (I'm not commenting on Lynyrd Skynyrd here; I don't know enough about them.) I lived in the South two different times, for several years, and for some people it's simply a matter of pride in their heritage. Of course, that heritage includes slavery and racism, but in my experience (a) all racists endorse the Confederate flag but (b) not everyone who displays a Confederate flag is a racist.

Does that make sense? I've been at the computer too long.

Of course, I'm a born-and-bred Yankee, so what do I know.  ;)

Of course not, but theres something a bit weird displaying a bloody great flag at a music concert.
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« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2021, 03:57:19 AM »

Of course not, but theres something a bit weird displaying a bloody great flag at a music concert.

I was thinking that, because they identify as a Southern rock band (right? someone correct me if I'm wrong), it's not that unusual. That's all.
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