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[Moogmodule]

Thanks for the reminder, nimrod.  I've only known a few people with degrees in music.  One of them was a music instructor I had for a while.  He was a very intelligent guy but he seemed to have an ego about his education.  Other people who knew him told me that "he didn't swing."  So I took that as a criticism that suggested his education played an inhibiting role in his performance as a musician in a band.

Could be also that he wasn’t that naturally musical. You can train up to play the notes but doesn’t necessarily mean you have the feel for music.

I remember a show a few decades ago that had in Australia called Operatunity. They took average people with good voices and, on a tv show of course, tried to turn them into opera singers under the tutelage of the best instructors. There was one guy who had a strong natural voice. Big, nice tone. Quite an instrument. But he couldn’t sing in tune no matter how much they coached him. I remember Yvonne Kenny, one of Australia’s top sopranos of the day getting upset at the end as they realised that, despite all their effort and that he had the power in his voice to be that rare really good dramatic tenor, he simply couldn’t reliably stay in tune. He didn’t have the musical ear to carry it off.  The amount of training didn’t matter.

[nimrod]

We got a great singer in our band once. Really good voice but he never knew when to start singing at the beginning of songs. Sometimes had to play the intro 3 times. 

[Moogmodule]

That would be quite frustrating. 

[Hello Goodbye]

We got a great singer in our band once. Really good voice but he never knew when to start singing at the beginning of songs. Sometimes had to play the intro 3 times. 

Even Paul had to play the intro 3 times...

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke26Z4DZCsg" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke26Z4DZCsg</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIZG4K3av0c" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIZG4K3av0c</a>

 

[nimrod]

I think we once played the intro to My Generation about 4 times 

[Moogmodule]

I think we once played the intro to My Generation about 4 times 

Isn’t that just coming in on the first beat of the bar?

[nimrod]

Isn’t that just coming in on the first beat of the bar?

Yeah he just statred at me and smiled, it got to the stage where I had to lip sync when he should come in 

The other "classic" was during Back In The USSR, whan Paul sings "Back in the US, Back in the US, Back in the USSR, just before the middle 8, Man he struggled with the timing on that  in the end we had to ditch it.

[Moogmodule]

Yeah he just statred at me and smiled, it got to the stage where I had to lip sync when he should come in 

The other "classic" was during Back In The USSR, whan Paul sings "Back in the US, Back in the US, Back in the USSR, just before the middle 8, Man he struggled with the timing on that  in the end we had to ditch it.

No wonder singers are the lowest on the musician pecking order 

[Normandie]

This is a little off topic. In an ocean liner book I'm reading the author mentions how a passenger on the Zeeland wrote down the music for the bugle notes that were played to alert first-class passengers to begin dressing for dinner. (In Cameron's film the Molly Brown character comments "Why do they always announce dinner like it's a damn calvary charge?" Other Titanic movies have some version of the same line.)

Anyway, more to the point: Apparently this was able to write down the score simply on hearing the notes. I could never in a million years do this, myself, but with so many musicians on here I'm sure one of you could. And it reminded me of the Beatles and the topic of formal music education.

Here it is:

[Tamara]

Beethoven could write sheet music while he was deaf.

[nimrod]

No wonder singers are the lowest on the musician pecking order 

Are you sure ?
What do you call a guy who like's to hang out with musicians ?

A drummer 

This is a little off topic. In an ocean liner book I'm reading the author mentions how a passenger on the Zeeland wrote down the music for the bugle notes that were played to alert first-class passengers to begin dressing for dinner. (In Cameron's film the Molly Brown character comments "Why do they always announce dinner like it's a damn calvary charge?" Other Titanic movies have some version of the same line.)

Anyway, more to the point: Apparently this was able to write down the score simply on hearing the notes. I could never in a million years do this, myself, but with so many musicians on here I'm sure one of you could. And it reminded me of the Beatles and the topic of formal music education.

I "think" I could do that 

After watching Get Back and Paul trying to get his ideas across to the other guys, maybe it would've been useful to be able to just give them a piece of manuscript with some dots on it. Saved a lot of time !!

Miles Davis did this on the classic track from the greatest Jazz LP.
The 4 guys came to the studio to record Miles new album, he gave them sheets of dots, they played it with the tape rolling and that went on the album, track is called "So What" it's iconic and will probably be forever. Jazz lovers have voted it the greatest Jazz track of all time.


https://youtu.be/ylXk1LBvIqU

[Normandie]

What do you call a guy who like's to hang out with musicians ?

A drummer 

 

Miles Davis did this on the classic track from the greatest Jazz LP.
The 4 guys came to the studio to record Miles new album, he gave them sheets of dots, they played it with the tape rolling and that went on the album, track is called "So What" it's iconic and will probably be forever. Jazz lovers have voted it the greatest Jazz track of all time.

Interesting; I was not aware of that!

[Moogmodule]

Are you sure ?
What do you call a guy who like's to hang out with musicians ?

A drummer 

 

[Moogmodule]

Beethoven could write sheet music while he was deaf.

He was pretty good that Beethoven

[Hello Goodbye]

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bA2V0jZMo4" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bA2V0jZMo4</a>

[Normandie]

 I was thinking of an everyday person, not a musical genius.

[Hello Goodbye]

^

Kathy, I was responding to these two posts...

Beethoven could write sheet music while he was deaf.

He was pretty good that Beethoven

I thought that was a fine explanation of Ludwig van Beethoven's special gift.

[Normandie]

^^^

Yup. My original point was directed at more general musicians.

[blmeanie]

What do you call a guy who like's to hang out with musicians ?

A drummer 

funny, haven't seen that one in a while


As for Back in the USSR - on a recent ski trip - I play music for myself and buddies over a bluetooth speaker that goes around my neck, anyway, Back in the USSR came on and one of my buddies thought someone might think it was inappropriate with the war going on and likelihood that regaining USSR land is one of the motivations

[Normandie]

As for Back in the USSR - on a recent ski trip - I play music for myself and buddies over a bluetooth speaker that goes around my neck, anyway, Back in the USSR came on and one of my buddies thought someone might think it was inappropriate with the war going on and likelihood that regaining USSR land is one of the motivations

I had that exact same thought the other day when that song came up on my playlist. I wonder if any radio stations have temporarily banned it. I recall quite a few stations banned particular songs in the weeks following 9/11 (including The Bangles' "Walk Like an Egyptian," which seemed like a bit of a stretch). During the devastating floods in this area in 2011 radio stations were instructed not to play Led Zep's "When the Levee Breaks."

P.S. Listening to the Beatles while skiiing sounds seriously blissful.