macca ll is bad,i agree with that one.pipes of peace-really is it so bad?i'd go so far as to say it is a half decent stab at an album when music in general was pretty poor.the whole 'sound' of music around 82-83-84-85 really wasn't anything to write home about.sure,p.o.p has a couple of weak tracks,but the stuff with jacko ain't bad,'so bad' is a hidden gem,'the other me' i have a little soft spot for.as for the other stuff-
tug of war-very good
press to play-not so bad
flowers in the dirt-average,some nice bits
broad street-so so
all in all,name me a major artist who comes out of the 80s' with their credibility completely intact.macca was no worse than anyone else.