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Re: George - My Sweet Lord
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2021, 05:52:54 AM »

Anyway, he nicked the melody. Would his God approve of that ?

Fortunately for George, Moses dropped the tablet that said Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neigbours Tunes.  ;)
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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2021, 05:34:59 PM »

Apparently at the end of the court case the judge said he liked both songs.

Gosh, that sounds like something I would have said.  icon_redface
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Re: George - My Sweet Lord
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2021, 10:42:31 PM »

Of historical note, Billy Preston recorded My Sweet Lord in January 1970 with a distinct gospel feel to it...


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George recorded his version a few months later.  He said used the out-of-copyright Christian hymn "Oh Happy Day" by the Edwin Hawkins Singers as his inspiration for the melody...


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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2021, 03:35:07 AM »

I really dont like songs that promote a religious (except in Church) or political/lifestyle message.
Usually the person spouting the views is being hypocritical.
I mean take Hare Krishna, followers devote their lives to serving Krishna and spend several hours each day chanting the Hare Krishna mantra. They are vegetarians, and they renounce the use of alcohol and drugs. Sex is allowed only for procreation within marriage. Male devotees shave their heads, leaving only a small tuft of hair called a sikha, a sign of surrender to their teacher. Each morning male and female believers mark their foreheads with clay as a reminder that their bodies are temples of Krishna.
I dont think George was vegetarian and we know from Olivia that he had a strong eye for the ladies. Materialism was a huge part of his world, living in a Palace driving Ferraris, houses all over the world.
Im not saying he shouldn't live like a very rich man, that is his choice, but dont pretend you are a follower of Hare Krishna, maybe he was a "weekend follower" :)

John also guilty of famously preaching about no possessions, while living in a stately home with a Rolls Royce and 120 acres. (and lets not forget Yoko's collection of mink coats). Again, unless you give it all away, dont preach to us normal folk who have to be concerned with little things like paying the mortgage/rent or heating bill.

Pink Floyd are hypocrites too.

I think the only song with a political message that I could accept was Strange Fruit by Billie Holiday.
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Re: George - My Sweet Lord
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2021, 09:48:28 AM »

Pink Floyd are hypocrites too.

Why do you say that?
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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2021, 02:17:54 PM »

Of historical note, Billy Preston recorded My Sweet Lord in January 1970 with a distinct gospel feel to it...

I'm glad you posted this, Barry; I've been meaning to track down his version. I hadn't realized until this year that George had offered it to him first.

I dont think George was vegetarian and we know from Olivia that he had a strong eye for the ladies. Materialism was a huge part of his world, living in a Palace driving Ferraris, houses all over the world.
Im not saying he shouldn't live like a very rich man, that is his choice, but dont pretend you are a follower of Hare Krishna, maybe he was a "weekend follower" :)

I am in complete agreement with this. After reading that Joshua Greene book (Here Comes the Sun) and learning more about Hinduism, I was dismayed to realize that George's devotion to the faith did not seem to ring true, for the reasons you just mentioned. Thus, I take his devotion to Krishna with a grain of salt.

John also guilty of famously preaching about no possessions, while living in a stately home with a Rolls Royce and 120 acres. (and lets not forget Yoko's collection of mink coats). Again, unless you give it all away, dont preach to us normal folk who have to be concerned with little things like paying the mortgage/rent or heating bill.

I'm in agreement here as well. I've always given a mental head shake and eye roll when I hear Imagine, for example.
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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2021, 02:18:41 PM »

Why do you say that?

I'm curious, too. I know virtually nothing about Pink Floyd.
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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2021, 01:26:28 AM »

Yeah I’m not really much on the preachy stuff either.  I sort of let the words wash over me a bit if the music is good. George’s Living in the Material World album was like that. Some of George’s best music with a small tight band, but  I ignored  a lot of the lyrics.

Is Pink Floyd because of songs like Money? They’re slagging off people making money and living it up when they were taking in the big bucks. And no doubt spending it.
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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2021, 01:58:51 AM »

Yeah I’m not really much on the preachy stuff either.  I sort of let the words wash over me a bit if the music is good. George’s Living in the Material World album was like that. Some of George’s best music with a small tight band, but  I ignored  a lot of the lyrics.

Is Pink Floyd because of songs like Money? They’re slagging off people making money and living it up when they were taking in the big bucks. And no doubt spending it.

Yes, very hypocritical, I think they banked 200 million on their last tour, and Roger waters always banging on about rich people, like on Animals. He says he's left wing. His net worth is estimated at $350million.
But then they get working class Cockney kids to sing "We dont need no education" on their hit record...........All the PF guys had expensive educations at posh schools then Oxbridge, they were studying to be Architects.
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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2021, 02:16:47 AM »

Yeah I’m not really much on the preachy stuff either. 

Its not that I dont like George, maybe I sound that way. I love him really but he was sort of passive aggressive and moaned a lot. haha He was invited to join John & Paul. That made him for life, yet he just seemed to bemoan being a Beatle. And he was hypocritical about hare Krishna.

I thought of another song I dont mine politically...........Southern Man, Neil Young. Maybe Alabama too.
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Re: George - My Sweet Lord
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2021, 03:11:04 AM »

Its not that I dont like George, maybe I sound that way. I love him really but he was sort of passive aggressive and moaned a lot. haha He was invited to join John & Paul. That made him for life, yet he just seemed to bemoan being a Beatle. And he was hypocritical about hare Krishna.

I thought of another song I dont mine politically...........Southern Man, Neil Young. Maybe Alabama too.

Yes the moaning got a bit much. I’ve read longer interviews with him where he’s a lot more positive but he kept harping on the downsides. Which, as you say, ignores all the huge upsides.
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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2021, 03:13:52 AM »

Yes, very hypocritical, I think they banked 200 million on their last tour, and Roger waters always banging on about rich people, like on Animals. He says he's left wing. His net worth is estimated at $350million.
But then they get working class Cockney kids to sing "We dont need no education" on their hit record...........All the PF guys had expensive educations at posh schools then Oxbridge, they were studying to be Architects.

To the other members of Pink Floyd’s credit, I don’t think they liked Roger very much either.  :alien1:
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« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2021, 03:44:30 AM »

I'm glad you posted this, Barry; I've been meaning to track down his version. I hadn't realized until this year that George had offered it to him first.


Yes, Kathy, George was influenced by Oh Happy Day and wrote a gospel song for Billy Preston to record.  The two songs can be mashed with beautiful results...


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Cher recognized this early on...


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Hallelujah
הַלְלוּיָה
Hare Rama


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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2021, 08:48:35 AM »

All the PF guys had expensive educations at posh schools then Oxbridge, they were studying to be Architects.

This is not true.

Roger Waters, for example, was born in Cambridge but certainly didn't go to Cambridge University (part of your Oxbridge).

He went ot the Regent Street Polytechnic in London. This, at the time, was not considered of university level. He was studying to get a job not to spend years in higher education.

His father was a school teacher and his grandfather was a miner. Not the rich background you are portraying.
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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2021, 12:09:16 PM »

To the other members of Pink Floyd’s credit, I don’t think they liked Roger very much either.  :alien1:
He seemed to take over the band like some meglomaniac  ha2ha
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« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2021, 12:27:21 PM »

This is not true.

Roger Waters, for example, was born in Cambridge but certainly didn't go to Cambridge University (part of your Oxbridge).

He went ot the Regent Street Polytechnic in London. This, at the time, was not considered of university level. He was studying to get a job not to spend years in higher education.

His father was a school teacher and his grandfather was a miner. Not the rich background you are portraying.
He was studying at regent Street to become an architect ..you don't become an architect without a high level of education so why was he getting children to sing *we don't need no education* ?
And why did he write songs condemning very rich people when he was (and is)a very rich person ?
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« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2021, 01:02:51 PM »

He was studying at regent Street to become an architect ..you don't become an architect without a high level of education so why was he getting children to sing *we don't need no education* ?
And why did he write songs condemning very rich people when he was (and is)a very rich person ?

In the sixties it was easier to go to a polytechnic than a university. You only needed an average level of education to go there. Polytechnics were recognised as university level much, much later (1992).

As for his songs, they're not saying eduction or money are bad per se. One is about the abusive teachers he came across (as did everyone) in his secondary school and Money is about people who flaunt their wealth and an easy life and who come up with glib phrases about money being "the root of all evil" while secretly admitting that they're lucky to be rich.
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« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2021, 10:17:53 PM »

He seemed to take over the band like some meglomaniac  ha2ha

I mean, I like Pink Floyd and Roger Waters did great stuff with them but I’m not into his political rants.
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« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2021, 11:53:59 PM »



As for his songs, they're not saying eduction or money are bad per se.

Its interesting when you criticize Pink Floyd and especially Roger Waters someone defends him and sounds offended which causes debate.
Although his followers will have none of it. I wasnt going to say much about this, it was just meant to be a passing comment, my opinion so to speak, but as usual in the world of Zipp you have to prove your point in a direct confrontational way :D  As you did a few times in my Song Of The week series.
Firstly, I must admit I was wrong about the PF guys going to Oxbridge, I read that somewhere and took it as fact. Probably because of their very posh accents I believed it, and I remember Eric Clapton stating after he did the Pro's and Con's tour with Roger that he felt uncomfortable, as the rest of the band were dining out at posh restaurants, where he felt slightly embarrassed and uncomfortable and out of place, not knowing what to order, sounding like aheathen etc. so he ended up visiting a McDonalds with some of the crew instead.

It seems Roger the outspoken socialist found himself at odds with even himself over money, so a capitalist singing in sarcastic tones about monied people. (Pigs, Money)

"Money interested me enormously," Waters remarked on the twentieth anniversary of Dark Side. "I remember thinking, 'Well, this is it and I have to decide whether I'm really a socialist or not.' I'm still keen on a general welfare society, but I became a capitalist. You have to accept it. I remember coveting a Bentley like crazy. The only way to get something like that was through rock or the football pools. I very much wanted all that material stuff."

The Floyd guys were even not even above not paying the schoolkids who sang on their hit record:
This from 2012.
Now the 23 ex-pupils are suing for overdue session musician royalties, taking advantage of the Copyright Act 1997 to claim a percentage of the money from broadcasts.
https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/pink-floyd-pupils-sue-for-royalties-7257969.html

I never heard the outcome, probably/maybe out of court settlement.

Roger's opening song on PF's final album The Post War Dream, sounds very much like John Prine's 1971 song Sam Stone. Not only did Roger's song have the same melody, but the chord structure as well, and the key Fmajor.

https://youtu.be/Sl9ZkYViEIs

Nowadays he's a very rich left wing socialist again, who hates the Israeli government.

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/roger-waters-blames-israel-george-floyd-death/

He lambasts other artists for playing shows in Tel Aviv, like Madonna and others yet conveniently not mentioning his shows in Russia.
How did he make the decision to play there given Russia’s actions in Crimea and Ukraine?




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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2021, 12:14:05 AM »

I mean, I like Pink Floyd and Roger Waters did great stuff with them but I’m not into his political rants.

No doubt when in PF he wrote some very good songs, very talented guy, I find his solo stuff very patchy though. Maybe he needed DG more than he thought :D
The guy is a hypocrite though. I actually like a lot of PF stuff, even The Final Cut.
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