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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2006, 02:33:42 PM »
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I have to make a point here. It was probably the dynamic competition between John and Paul that meant they produced such great material. And it gave George and Ringo something to aspire to. They're good rightwing capitalists these boys. Your left wing utopian view of some loving collective helping each other out  would probably have reduced them to some lowest-common-denominator mediocrity.
They wouldn't have been half as good if they weren't such selfcentred bast*rds. :)

I accept that. But they did help Ringo anyway, including writing songs for him.

Except to say that I don't see kindness and compassion as a necessarily left-wing thing. The left has always tried to monopolize it for their own ideological ends. The left hasn't always been nice and enlightened. I see it as about civilised ideals which any could aspire to. I think the politics of compassion should trancend political identity. It should be about core values of civilised society and behaviour which all should accept. The concept of enlightenment was around for thousands of years before party politics.

Sorry for getting off-subject, but I just wanted to say that Love & Peace and enlightenment are concepts for everyone because enlightenment is the road to Love & Peace. Everyone wants the stability of love and peace after all. And partly so you would know I'm not an outdated socialist. Socialism is the past. It's failed so a new road to civilisation must be found. I believe in the non-partisan politics of compassion which the world needs to be healed.
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2006, 02:34:43 PM »
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That says it all.

But I do know he wrote good songs in his solo career, as I said. He could do it.
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2006, 02:38:07 PM »
I don't deny that he wrote some good songs. It Don't Come Easy, Back Off Boogaloo and his co-writing with George on Photograph. That's a small string of hits to call someone a great songwriter though. And don't get me wrong, I love Ringo's drumming. I just don't think he's an enormously talented songwriter and I think Ringo'll agree to that.
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2006, 02:42:49 PM »
I only used the word 'great' to say that it would have been great to have call and response vocals on DPMB. I don't think Ringo was a great songwriter. But he did prove himself as a songwriter.
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2006, 02:44:18 PM »
Oh yeah, that's what we were discussing...  :) I think we agree to disagree on DPMB being a great song.
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2006, 02:47:17 PM »
Not a great one. But could have been produced better.
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2006, 02:48:52 PM »
I have to go with Bobber. DPMB is a mediochre song saved by the natty production (I love the violin).
Certainly wouldn't have made a 1 disc WA
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2006, 02:52:17 PM »
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...saved by the natty production

!? Have I missed the meaning of natty?

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I have to go with Bobber. DPMB is a mediochre song saved by the natty production (I love the violin)

I think the only real bone of contention here is the violin. I think it's awful.
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2006, 02:54:57 PM »
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Not a great one. But could have been produced better.

We disagree on that as well.  ;D
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2006, 03:04:12 PM »
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!? Have I missed the meaning of natty?

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No - I probably have. Couldn't be arsed thinking of another. But it makes me smile, and suits the album well.
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2006, 03:29:32 PM »
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We disagree on that as well.  ;D

But actually it's interesting if a subject goes off on a tangent like that.  :)
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2006, 03:35:09 PM »
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No - I probably have. Couldn't be arsed thinking of another. But it makes me smile, and suits the album well.

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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2006, 03:43:37 PM »
Anyone feel like a warmed-up discussion of Every Little Thing? Would have sounded better up-tempo with hard acoustic guitar chords.  ;D
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2006, 03:55:05 PM »
Love to, but I'd need to hear it first, and I'm at work and they frown on that kind of thing.
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2006, 08:43:18 PM »
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It obviously took him a long time to even finish one song.


Well, we already know that Paul helped him to finnish it by the summer of 1964 (there's a topic somewhere here and also an interview of them in Australia -I think- proving this)
http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/b-albums/m-1130104843/s-30/  (reply 35)

"Its earliest mention seems to be off a BBC chatter session introducing "And I Love Her" on the Top Gear program in 1964. In the conversation, Starr is asked if he wrote a song and McCartney proceeded to mock it soon after, but the song is unmistakably Don't Pass Me By with very slightly different lyrics.

The fact that it wasn't recorded until 1968 contributed to Starr temporarily quitting The Beatles during the White Album sessions."

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Pass_Me_By
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[...]  The melody is very, very easy and not what I call 'strong'. It's, ehm, recognizable. Indeed, more early Beatles than suiting the atmosphere of 1968.

My point on the other topics ... included the one in where some people chosed this song as a better one than Octopus's Garden
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And why should they have done that? John and Paul had enough on their hands and they did help him somewhat with What Goes On. [...]

I think it's more a John song that Ringo and Paul happened to lend a hand at the final moment
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You mean rubbish on Yellow Submarine? I'm maybe in a minority for liking Sir George's compositions. It was after all only a soundtrack album, and no doubt released for purely commercial reasons.
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Rubbish on ... The White Album, I meant ...

... I'm with you about Sir George's compositions ...

... take a look here:
http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/b-albums/m-1106671234/s-all/  (replies 16 & 17)
... and here too:
http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/b-albums/m-1095027438/s-all/  (replies 12-17)
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[...] DPMB is a mediochre song saved by the natty production (I love the violin).
Certainly wouldn't have made a 1 disc WA

According to that: Octopus's Garden is ... what exactly? ??)
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2006, 09:14:58 PM »
Some of the more playful songs on TWA are a bit rubbishy. I agree.

I thought Paul referred to it as a beautiful song in one interview.
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2006, 10:21:16 PM »
I voted for Don't Pass Me By which is an underrated masterpiece by Ringo back in his Beatle days.  
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2006, 02:18:23 PM »
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True. But given the number of albums and singles they made in such a short space of time, they could have given a bit more space to Ringo. And, maybe with more offering to write songs with him. Could have been interesting, and it certainly worked well with George helping out out with Octopus's Garden.

And it certainly worked with Photograph. I wonder how much of that song Ringo wrote?

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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2006, 10:03:38 PM »
I'm gonna list all underrated songs from each album I've got:

Please Please Me: Misery
With The Beatles: Please Mister Postman
A Hard Day's Night: I'm Happy Just To Dance With You
Beatles For Sale: What You're Doing
Help!: I've Just Seen A Face (should've been a single release)
Rubber Soul: Run For Your Life
Revolver: And Your Bird Can Sing
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band: With A Little Help From My Friends
Magical Mystery Tour: Magical Mystery Tour
The Beatles: The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill
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Re: Most underrated song
« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2006, 10:23:40 PM »
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I'm gonna list all underrated songs from each album I've got:

Please Please Me: Misery
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Beatles For Sale: What You're Doing
Help!: I've Just Seen A Face (should've been a single release)
Rubber Soul: Run For Your Life
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Agree on those ones!
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