Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[roscoe]

This was posted on another forum so some may have seen it-- there was no response.

As most are aware, Let It Be and Long And Winding Road were remixed for CD release and Spectors effects were removed-- what a blessing. After reading Recording the Beatles I discovered that it is theoretically poss to remix Something and Photograph. IOW the strings could be mixed out--imo I cannot even listen to Photograph any more. Something is a little better as the strings are not as imposing but they should be mixed out anyway. Another prob I have noticed on Something is that the middle eight is recorded at about a 3 or 4 db increase in volume. I find myself having to adjust the vol during that segment to compensate. I have also noticed on the American CD release of Come Together that Pauls Bass overloads very seriously in 3 or 4 places and ruins the song imo.

With the wonders of modern tech it is poss to restore these classics. I hope this has occured to someone at EMI and the fall releases as well as the internet releases would truly benefit if this could be accomplished.

[Hombre_de_ningun_lugar]

"Something" cannot be de-Spectorized since it was produced by George Martin...

[Kevin]

hmm - to be honest I can see why you weren't inundated with replies. All that hi-fi stuff can come across a bit anal. I'd worry more about your need to make  Compensatory Db Adjustments than any slips by George Martin.
Personally I find Martin's use of strings in all songs spot on - they add mood without being too upfront. The man was a genius.
Unless you're one of those people who think strings have no place on rock records. But Something is hardly hardcore. And no Eleanor Rigby, Yesterday or the whooshy bits on Day In The Life?

[CleanOldMan]

Unless you're one of those people who think strings have no place on rock records. But Something is hardly hardcore. And no Eleanor Rigby, Yesterday or the whooshy bits on Day In The Life?

I'm definitely not one of those people, but I've always liked the stringless "The Long And Winding Road" much better. It's an amazing song, and the piano track is great. I can hear the piano pretty well with the strings, but the strings are such an attention grabber. As for "Yesterday," I feel it could sound better, I like it when Macca plays it live, you don't hear it. But I think it needs it, it creates some of the instrumental melody that the acoustic alone does not (right between the 2nd and 3rd lines of the verses--if you count the word "yesterday"--where the pitch goes down a few notes). The guitar does, but it's not pronounced enough.

[roscoe]

"Something" cannot be de-Spectorized since it was produced by George Martin...

Thanks to the above posters for their response.
I am using the term in a figurative sense. 1 of the 8 tracks containing Spector's heavenly voices were removed on the re-mixes of WR and LIB. The same could be done with Something and Photo-- imo they could be saved. I do not know what can be done about Come Together: has anyone else noticed the major bass overloads on the Am CD release of the song?

Re: Something and volume-- this is the only thing I have ever listened to in my life where I have felt the need to adj vol within a song. Be very discriminating( I hope there are no liberals here) the next time you listen to the part and maybe you will notice it.

Alas I certainly am one of 'those people' who think violins are out of place on R and R records. I do not listen to Yesterday or E Rigby or HTEW or any of Pauls Granny music(John's term) and there is alot of it. Of course I don't listen to much of anything after 1965-66 anyway. This is why I am so upset about the three aforementioned songs being lost. Although I still can deal with Something. Where did you hear that the stings were George Martin's Idea?

[Kevin]

. Where did you hear that the stings were George Martin's Idea?

No - never said they were his idea. I'm talking about his use of them.
Personally I don't think Something needs saving.

[tkitna]

Off topic, but am I the only one that perfers Spectors 'LIB' to 'Naked'?

[adamzero]

I've got an idea.  How about Phil Spector spectorizes the entire Beatles catalog--just for the hell of it.  I hear he's going to have some time on his hands and could use a good long-term project.  I'd love to hear what he might do to, say, "Mr Moonlight."  Maracas?  A maraca orchestra?

[roscoe]

Off topic, but am I the only one that perfers Spectors 'LIB' to 'Naked'?

You are not off topic at all. I was the same way for a long time-- I could never stand to hear the other one, but now with the dig remaster I like the de- spected version even though George's OD has been somewhat removed.  Much better sound quality also.

[dylanjohn]

I like the idea of what Spector was trying to do with LIB, but
I don't like his "sound".   It sounds so muddy, and unclear.  If
the parts were recorded better, or mixed better, then I
think LIB would have sounded good with all the bells and whistles.

Basically George Martin's sound was what was missing.  
Like another poster said his strings really
added to the songs, but don't get in the way
of the beatles tracks.  

I think George Harrison suffered from this muddy sound throughout the 70's,
ATMP could have sounded so much better had it been done in a George MArtin style imo.

To each his own I guess.

[BlueMeanie]

Off topic, but am I the only one that perfers Spectors 'LIB' to 'Naked'?

Nope.

[sewi]

^Agree. LIB Naked souns too clean too my taste.

[BlueMeanie]

Why would anyone want to 'de-Spector' Something? Another one of Roscoe's stupid comments. And his assertion that there is a difference between the American CD of Abbey Road and everyone else's' is garbage. The official CD re-issues are identical the world over.

[nimrod]

Off topic, but am I the only one that perfers Spectors 'LIB' to 'Naked'?

No, I thoroughly agree with you on that.

Spector did a great job with it IMO, for example I love the brass band on I Me Mine

[Gary910]

Off topic, but am I the only one that perfers Spectors 'LIB' to 'Naked'?

No I prefer Spector's 'LIB' to Naked, but I prefer Glyn John's second 'Get Back' to 'LIB'.

I don't care for the tracklisting, or the banding on 'Naked'.

[KarpovSergei]

After server was offline on 2nd December i noticed something is fixed - the elevators in outland terledor - zangarmarsh and in shattrath city. Before they werte disappearing but now they dont     isnt it cool guys

[Bobber]

After server was offline on 2nd December i noticed something is fixed - the elevators in outland terledor - zangarmarsh and in shattrath city. Before they werte disappearing but now they dont     isnt it cool guys

My thoughts exactly.

[Mairi]

I've got an idea.  How about Phil Spector spectorizes the entire Beatles catalog--just for the hell of it.  I hear he's going to have some time on his hands and could use a good long-term project.  I'd love to hear what he might do to, say, "Mr Moonlight."  Maracas?  A maraca orchestra?

Castanets. It wouldn't be spector without castanets.