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[Normandie]

^^^^^

Very funny, 

[Hello Goodbye]

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I wasn't being entirely funny, Kathy.  If A Night To Remember was accurate. the baker helped several people find their way to the the ship's deck so they could evacuate. I saw that he even threw a deck lounge to someone in the water to help that passenger keep afloat.  Did he give testimony in the hearings as to this?  If it was true, even the little he did during the sinking qualifies him as a hero.

[Normandie]

If A Night To Remember was accurate. the baker helped several people find their way to the the ship's deck so they could evacuate. I saw that he even threw a deck lounge to someone in the water to help that passenger keep afloat.  Did he give testimony in the hearings as to this?  If it was true, even the little he did during the sinking qualifies him as a hero.

Charles Joughin, my favorite Titanic person! He spent most of the sinking in the bakery, drinking. I probably would have made the same choice. I've always been a bit puzzled that he did not succumb to hypothermia given that alcohol is a vasodilator. This article clarifies that:

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/charles-joughin-titanic-anniversary-april-15-drunk

[Hello Goodbye]

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Right, Kathy.  Dr. Giesbrecht's explanation of the physiology involved is sound.  Peripheral vasodilation was reversed when Charles Joughin was immersed in the -2C water.  The resultant peripheral vasoconstriction kept warmer blood centrally.  That, coupled with his inebriated state and not panicking, allowed him to survive the sinking.

He was a lucky man, indeed!  <hiccup>   

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[Hello Goodbye]

And Kathy, here she is.  The individual I disliked most...

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What a snotty pain in the ass she was all through the movie.

[Hello Goodbye]

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Yech!  Her character must have been based on some real-life person.

[Hello Goodbye]

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Her house staff was happy to see her go.

[Hello Goodbye]

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The noblest of all.

[Normandie]

The noblest of all.

Aww, that's so touching.

I haven't seen ANTR in years. I have it on VHS but no VHS player. I should stream it.

I've heard such great reviews of the 3D images in the re-released version of Cameron's film that I'm tempted to go see it in the theaters. I'm weighing the thrill of seeing the ship on the big screen in 3D versus sitting through the Jack-and-Rose plot again.

I found this promotional poster extremely moving, in my opinion the best of all of them:

[Hello Goodbye]

Aww, that's so touching.

Yes, it is.  The subplot there was that he asked Andrews early on about the fate of the ship saying he wasn't the panicking kind.  And Andrews gave him a truthful answer.  From that point on, he did all he could to be reassuring to his wife and children and got them on a lifeboat saying that he'll be getting on another.  It was heartbreaking to see him later on deck looking out to the lifeboats trying to catch a last glimpse of his family.

You don't have to stream the movie.  There it is perpetually on YouTube to be watched any time you want.

As I said, I've never seen the 1997 Titanic movie, just the fan-made version you posted leaving out all the Jack and Rose stuff.  I think A Night To Remember is the better movie.

[Hello Goodbye]

It was heartbreaking to see him later on deck looking out to the lifeboats trying to catch a last glimpse of his family.

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[Normandie]

It was heartbreaking to see him later on deck looking out to the lifeboats trying to catch a last glimpse of his family.

That's based on fact, but not a specific individual, I don't think. I've read there was at least one man who reassured his children and/or wife that he'd be getting on a boat later, knowing full well he wouldn't. Cameron's movie has a scene similar to the one you posted.

[Hello Goodbye]

That's based on fact, but not a specific individual, I don't think. I've read there was at least one man who reassured his children and/or wife that he'd be getting on a boat later, knowing full well he wouldn't. Cameron's movie has a scene similar to the one you posted.

Kathy, it's been years since I last read Walter Lord's A Night To Remember.  The first time I read it was when I was 14 for an eighth grade book report.  The book was written about ten years before that.

I still have the book in my library.  It's time to re-read it.  I'll look for any type of reference.  I'm sure several similar scenes played out that awful night.

[Normandie]

Kathy, it's been years since I last read Walter Lord's A Night To Remember.ype of reference.  I'm sure several similar scenes played out that awful night.

Please don't restrict yourself to that one book. There are many excellent scholars out there who have built on Lord's work. He himself admitted as such.

[Hello Goodbye]

Please don't restrict yourself to that one book. There are many excellent scholars out there who have built on Lord's work. He himself admitted as such.

Walter Lord's research and interviews were still timely in 1955.  Please suggest a more recent work that Mr. Lord admitted expounded upon his efforts.

[Normandie]

^^^^^

I'm afraid I don't have time right now to track down which ones Lord commented on specifically. There are too many. The only one that comes to mind is Dan Butler's The Other Side of the Night. He met with Lord personally before beginning it and wrote it with Lord's encouragement and endorsement. It's the third part of Lord's trilogy, the first two being A Night to Remember and The Night Lives On. But you've already dismissed Butler.

You should take this question to Encyclopedia Titanica. You'd probably get your answer within a minute.

[Normandie]

This is TikTok, not YouTube. My younger daughter sent it to me on our family chat thread. It brought back fond memories of the near-heart attacks I experienced while teaching my three kids to drive:  https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRnFvLX6/

I don't think you need an account to view this short (13-seconds) clip; I don't have one and was able to watch it.

I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. So glad these days are behind me! 

[nimrod]

Did you know? The swimming pools in the Titanic are still full.

 

[Normandie]

Did you know? The swimming pools in the Titanic are still full.

 

Har har har!! 

[Hello Goodbye]

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I'm afraid I don't have time right now to track down which ones Lord commented on specifically. There are too many. The only one that comes to mind is Dan Butler's The Other Side of the Night. He met with Lord personally before beginning it and wrote it with Lord's encouragement and endorsement. It's the third part of Lord's trilogy, the first two being A Night to Remember and The Night Lives On. But you've already dismissed Butler.

You should take this question to Encyclopedia Titanica. You'd probably get your answer within a minute.

I'd like to read The Night Lives On.  I didn't know Walter Lord wrote a follow up book.

When did I dismiss Butler? 

I must have been in a dismay mood if I did.