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« Reply #60 on: December 11, 2010, 01:44:59 AM »

that was great!  ;yes
i know theres been alot written about the kingsman's version's lyrics and their alleged obscenity.
just now reading that the f.b.i. spent two years investigating the lyrics in the mid 60s  ha2ha
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like twist and shout, to me this is one of those rare examples wher the 'rock group' remake outdoes the r&b original with sheer raw power
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(that was pretty awesome though- especially the doowop bass)  ;D
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« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2010, 01:56:38 AM »

Banned from the airwaves in some places too!  Kids were buying the record just to figure out what obscenities were being sung!

The Kingsmen's Louie Louie was a precursor to clue-finding in Beatles records (<----this way we stay "on topic"  ;)).

Louie,Louie--The Kingsmen


Louie Louie - The Kingsmen



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« Reply #62 on: December 11, 2010, 02:18:28 AM »

trying to stay on topic but when i looked up richard berry it said he based louie louie on a latin song called el loco cha cha(the chords) and a chuck berry song called havana moon (which is where he 'lifted' the lyrics's island-speak and theme)
this video plays both inspirtations
the chuck berry starts at 3:05 "me sip on di rum. .  mi wonder when . . di boat will come . . "
More history of "Louie Louie" - Little Bill + Bluenotes +2

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as usual, nothing new under the sun :
 john lennon settled out of court for taking lyrics and melody from berry's catch me if u can and putting it in "come together"
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« Reply #63 on: December 11, 2010, 02:26:28 AM »

. . explains Tom Higgenson of the Plain White T’s. . . . in ‘And Your Bird Can Sing,’ there’s that long harmonizing guitar solo part . . .  It was one of the first songs to have the harmonized lead part driving the song.”


this whole song that les paul multitracked is awesome but check out around 1:10 . . descending harmonizing guitar lead driving the song . .
Les Paul - "Lover"
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« Reply #64 on: December 11, 2010, 02:27:19 AM »

Agreed. It wasn't his thing. Again, I'm not picking up Pepper on details. I know The Beatles contributed new things to the prog rock genre.

not forgetting of course that at the time of Pepper there was no prog rock genre.

great thread BTW guys  :)
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« Reply #65 on: December 11, 2010, 02:52:23 AM »

trying to stay on topic but when i looked up richard berry it said he based louie louie on a latin song called el loco cha cha(the chords) and a chuck berry song called havana moon (which is where he 'lifted' the lyrics's island-speak and theme)

I think we're starting to see the continuum of innovation in music here.
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« Reply #66 on: December 11, 2010, 03:02:46 AM »

not forgetting of course that at the time of Pepper there was no prog rock genre.

Who knows when progressive rock really started.  I think it was a movement, contributed to by many bands.  At the time, in late 1967, hearing Days of Future Passed for the first time, I knew it was something different much in the way I knew Sgt Pepper was something different a few months before. 

I first heard the term "progressive rock" a couple of years later.
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« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2010, 03:05:46 AM »

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I still have both LPs which I purchased when they were released.
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« Reply #68 on: December 11, 2010, 03:20:00 AM »

I'm trying to accomplish just that - no one creates music in a vacuum. I'm singling out The Beatles because this is Beatles forum and Beatle fans say that they invented this genre or that genre.
I'm not trying to find firsts (like the art rock thing). I was arguing against someone who was saying Sgt Pepper was the first. I'm not sure what was.

I think we're starting to see the continuum of innovation in music here.

 ;sorry ha2ha ha2ha ha2ha ha2ha
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« Reply #69 on: December 11, 2010, 03:21:31 AM »

earlier than that - a calypso beat hit 1945 . the andrew sisters with the morey amsterdam owned song (yes, of dick van dyke show).......
rum and cococolaa


Talk about lifting lyrics and music, according to Wikipedia, Morey Amsterdam stole Rum And Coca Cola from Lord Invader...He was born in San Fernando, Trinidad. Invader became active in calypso in the mid-1930s. He wrote many calypsos; his most famous lyrics, "Rum and Coca-Cola", were plagiarised by Morey Amsterdam and became a hit for the Andrews Sisters. Invader travelled to New York and sued, eventually winning compensation, although the final settlement allowed Amsterdam to retain his copyright.

"Rum and Coca-Cola" - The Andrews Sisters


Lord Invader - Rum and coca cola (audio)




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« Reply #70 on: December 11, 2010, 03:42:43 AM »

wow, i'd read the story but never listened to the lord invader
morey amsterdam is quite the thief. that andrews sisters vid shows the album with the "morey amsterdam" writing credit >:(
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but this made me think.....
the beatles certainly knew who the andrew sisters were - probably heard them on their parents radios growing up. they were one of the worlds top selling groups in their time!
in fact, their manager lou levy owned the publishing rights to i want to hold your hand when it was released
anyway..
the everly brothers had two part harmonies...
but when u listen to the three part harmony of 'this boy' or even 'because' . .
it's hard to ignore the AIRTIGHT vocal harmonies of LaVerne, Maxene and Patty
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« Reply #71 on: December 11, 2010, 03:51:14 AM »

It's called "sibling harmony", nyfan.  As tight as The Beatles are with their harmonies, eg. Because as you mentioned, they can only come close to brothers or sisters harmonizing.  It's in the genes and anatomy.
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« Reply #72 on: December 11, 2010, 03:53:30 AM »

ok dig it
that explains the mills brothers, the jacksons, the osmonds, the pointer sisters and the beegees
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« Reply #73 on: December 11, 2010, 04:03:54 AM »

Right. 

Don't forget...

Lennon Sisters - Georgy Girl


...they were all cute too.  ;)
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« Reply #74 on: December 11, 2010, 04:18:55 AM »

the everly brothers had two part harmonies...


22 years apart...

Everly Brothers - All I have to do is dream + Cathy's Clown


The Everly Brothers - All I Have To Do Is Dream (From "The Reunion Concert" DVD)



The Beatles were fans of The Everly Brothers and were influenced by them I'm sure.
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« Reply #75 on: December 11, 2010, 04:29:56 AM »

By the way, that's The Crickets backing up the Everly Brothers in 1961.
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« Reply #76 on: December 11, 2010, 04:35:24 AM »

The Beatles were fans of The Everly Brothers and were influenced by them I'm sure.



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« Reply #77 on: December 11, 2010, 04:42:24 AM »

the crickets huh? isn't that where the name beatles really comes from?
also i had heard that the early beatles sometimes called themselves the foreverly brothers
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here's a haunting version of john doing the everlys followed by the beatles briefly jamming on it in the get back sessions (?)
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in the anthology version of two of us, paul tells john "take it phil"
THE BEATLES - CATHY'S CLOWN (UNRELEASED)


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Re: Beatles as innovators
« Reply #78 on: December 11, 2010, 04:43:37 AM »

oops, didnt see you posted that
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« Reply #79 on: December 11, 2010, 04:45:53 AM »

S'alright.  I was looking for the one you posted.
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