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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #160 on: July 09, 2014, 05:24:08 PM »

Mark Lewisohn was on BBc 6 music's Radcliffe and Maconie show this afternoon. He appears about 1 hour 35 mins into the show.

Here is the link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b048s47f

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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #161 on: July 09, 2014, 08:39:06 PM »

Mark Lewisohn was on BBc 6 music's Radcliffe and Maconie show this afternoon. He appears about 1 hour 35 mins into the show.

Here is the link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b048s47f


Thanks Pothos!
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #162 on: July 10, 2014, 04:25:18 PM »

You're welcome. Did the link work ok.
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« Reply #163 on: July 10, 2014, 10:53:47 PM »

You're welcome. Did the link work ok.

Yes mate it worked fine here in Oz   ;)

Many thanks for posting that
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #164 on: October 03, 2014, 06:35:27 PM »

A tweet from Mark Lewisohn on September 29th: "Vol 2 still on track for 2020, with vast amount of research still to be done."
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #165 on: October 03, 2014, 10:08:49 PM »

In six years the Beatles change the world ... and Lewisohn writes a book.
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #166 on: December 02, 2014, 02:02:25 PM »

It's a long wait, isn't it? When is part 3 expected?
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #167 on: December 02, 2014, 04:55:51 PM »

I'm reading the standard version and think it's great. I'm just up to 1958. I found the death of Julia incredibly sad and with so much detail.

I read the Daily Mail review here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-2452115/Craig-Brown-reviews-new-Beatles-book-The-Fab-snore.html
which implies it is boring and asks ....
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"You may well want to know that George Harrison’s first car was a Ford Anglia. Fair enough.
But do you need to know that it was a second-hand, two-door, blue Ford Anglia 105E Deluxe, bought by George from Brian Epstein’s friend Terry Doran who worked at a dealership in Warrington?"


To us die hard Beatles fans the answer is a definite yes. The more details the better. The article fails to grasp that the fine details have been raked over and over for decades so any new piece of information however small is like gold dust. I could happily read the extended version to get more of those minute details.  I can understand someone with only a passing interest might find it hard going.
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #168 on: January 13, 2015, 04:08:42 PM »

Just another note as I'm still reading this. Something just occurred to me. I wonder if Paul switching to bass was a tactical move to ensure Stu didn't get back in the band? The only reason I mention it is I saw a pic of Stu on stage with The Beatles a few months after they'd returned from Hamburg and Paul has already taken the bass role by converting a guitar. Lewisohn mentions how much Paul disliked Stu and was probably jealous of his closeness to John. He'd also been demoted in the pecking order. At this stage Paul couldn't have been sure that Stu wouldn't have left Hamburg for good and wanted his old job back.

The pic is here.   http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1961/61.02.12%20casbah/61.02.12casbah.html
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #169 on: January 13, 2015, 07:40:45 PM »

The matter on Stu's playing has been and will always be a matter of discussion I'm afraid. Lewisohn states that Stu was hardly into playing the bass at all. He played with the Beatles during to long nights during their first visit to Hamburg in the autumn of 1960, but did not return home with them directly. I'm not exactly sure when Stu returned to Liverpool, but in the meantime Chas Newby played with them on a few gigs and although Paul's Rosetti has three strings and looks like a bass, it is also stated that he just mimed most of the times. In those early days of 1961, when The Beatles where really taking off, it was just Pete's drums, Johns and Georges guitar and their vocals. No bass at all, as Pauls Rosetti was almost falling apart. They quickly returned to Hamburg to play at The Top Ten and Paul was either at the piano or at the microphone. Stuart was playing the bass then. Though Stu stayed and played with them till July 1st, when The Beatles returned to Liverpool, Stu did not come back with them and it was obvious someone had to pick up the bass. Lewisohn states that Paul bought his Hofner somewhere mid-June 1961.
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #170 on: January 16, 2015, 09:51:23 PM »

I'm rereading bits of this book on holiday. I love the detailed machinations and still uncertainties about the Decca incident. Always more complicated than legend has it. Lewisohn's analysis is cute too. Rowe spent more money taking Brian out to lunch to tell him they were rejecting the Beatles than it would have cost to simply sign them and give them a go.
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #171 on: January 17, 2015, 05:51:16 PM »

Lewisohn's analysis is cute too. Rowe spent more money taking Brian out to lunch to tell him they were rejecting the Beatles than it would have cost to simply sign them and give them a go.

I know what you mean! I got a kick out of that too.
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #172 on: September 02, 2015, 10:40:59 AM »

From Wogblog

 Mark Lewisohn about the upcoming volumes
Renowned Beatles author Mark Lewisohn was a guest at Beatleweek in Liverpool this year, and had a session called "Ask Mark", a revival from his Beatle Week sessions in the eighties. Here, he discussed not only volume one, "Tune in" of his Beatles biography trilogy in the making, but also revealed a bit about the two upcoming volumes.

As a matter of fact, the first question posed was "How's book two coming along?". Lewisohn is still thinking that volume two will come out in 2020. He is still researching, and writing hasn't started. There is already enough material to write a substantial volume two, which he could start writing right away, but he hasn't yet turned every stone, and wants to be absolutely correct before he starts the writing process.  And he says that he is discovering something new almost on a daily basis, so it does indeed look as if there's still a lot of unturned stones. Volume two will be completely different from what he first imagined it would be, and he still has no title of volumes two and three.

One of the interesting questions put to Lewisohn at the very end of the Q&A session was why the Beatles took such a long break exactly 50 years ago. Returning from their American tour on September 1st, 1965, collectively The Beatles did nothing for six weeks, which did make the creative process of writing and recording "Rubber Soul" in time for the Christmas market a difficult and rushed one. Lewisohn had no firm answer to this, but let it be known that the times when they went out of the public eye were as interesting as the rest of their story. This is one of the reasons why further research is needed before the writing of volume two can commence.

New material, stories and people from the period covered in volume one, "Tune In" has turned up after it's publication, but will not be included in the upcoming paperback edition of that book. Lewisohn says that it will be used in some way, but is still not sure how and when.

The people whose lives we have been following in "Tune in" will also be featured in the upcoming volumes. We are talking about the people who were left behind, people like Allan Williams, Bob Wooler, Rory Storm, Pete and Mona Best etc. As their lives were still influenced by the Beatles and their success, we will get to see what happened to them along the way.

Fortunately, someone recorded the Q&A session and put it up on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/8S-4wa2UYsE

https://youtu.be/cz4yI1h5Lw4
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #173 on: September 02, 2015, 03:58:39 PM »

Thanks Bobber, that's great.

Coincidentally I was on another site talking about the Cow Palace show in San Francisico in 1965. It was a pretty frantic affair even by Beatle standards. Some guy got up on stage and knocked off John's cap and then threw himself legs first into the crowd. In photos the stage looks like a battle area with stuff all over it and of course there are girls being handed up to be evacuated - but they really look to be in a bad way.

Then I noticed that as you say the Beatles had long a break after this concert which was the last of the tour. Maybe they were already thinking of giving up touring. It wouldn't be surprising! Six weeks would be an eternity in those days for the Beatles to be out of the public eye.
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #174 on: September 03, 2015, 01:38:09 AM »

This going to be a fantastic book!
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #175 on: September 03, 2015, 07:22:48 AM »

Really looking forward to this. But boy, it takes a lot of patience.
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« Reply #176 on: September 03, 2015, 10:25:14 PM »

Really looking forward to this. But boy, it takes a lot of patience.

Yeah. I've pretty much resigned myself to not being alive for volume three. Volume two maybe but volume three will be probably not be out before 2030 so I'll be going on for eighty.

Though to be honest I don't think Lewisohn will still be around either and so volume three will never be finished.
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Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
« Reply #177 on: September 04, 2015, 12:36:41 AM »

Yeah. I've pretty much resigned myself to not being alive for volume three. Volume two maybe but volume three will be probably not be out before 2030 so I'll be going on for eighty.

Though to be honest I don't think Lewisohn will still be around either and so volume three will never be finished.
 


80 is young, my Mother died 2 years ago aged 92, smoked for 50 years and never ate fruit

a broken hip killed here (well the surgery) otherwise she's still be here  ;D
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« Reply #178 on: September 04, 2015, 09:41:22 AM »

  80 is young, my Mother died 2 years ago aged 92, smoked for 50 years and never ate fruit

a broken hip killed here (well the surgery) otherwise she's still be here  ;D

You're lucky. My father smoked a lot too. He died aged 66.
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« Reply #179 on: September 04, 2015, 11:28:58 AM »

Yeah. I've pretty much resigned myself to not being alive for volume three. Volume two maybe but volume three will be probably not be out before 2030 so I'll be going on for eighty.

Though to be honest I don't think Lewisohn will still be around either and so volume three will never be finished.

Well, this is the reason why I always thought that this significant task should have been given to a team of (serious and selected) Beatle historians instead of the poor shoulders of one man alone. 30 years (maybe more), it's really a gigantic work ! (and of course this has nothing to do with Mark's incontestable qualities to finish the task successfully).

But, as said Zipp, it is essentially a matter of timing. A good team of qualified Beatle historians (under the supervision of Mark Lewisohn of course) would perfectly do the job. And you would get the books much more earlier !

This practice is very current in the French University where many books are written by teams of good specialists (each one writing his own chapter or maybe more) under the direction of one or two professors. Of course, the whole work is regularly standardized so that there is no (or little) difference in the writing styles.

I sincerely think that would be a good solution for all.

Eric  ;)
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