Tommy Moore

[Bill Harry]

That's definately Johnny Hutch. Brian Epstein wanted him to replace Pete Best in the Beatles and he actually played with them when Pete left and before Ringo joined. The photo was by Cheniston Roland. You note that you can see Stuart and his guitar. You see his hands on it.  Cheniston took a number of photos, there is one which Stuart has been tuning up and has his back to the photographer. Allan Williams used that particular photo to claim that Stuart performed with his back to the audience, which is untrue. You can see from this photo how Allan has tried to manipulate the truth.

[Bobber]

Thanks Bill. So, it is rather safe to draw the conclusion that the other guy behind the drums is Tommy Moore?

[Xose]

Could anybody clear which gigs did REALLY Tommy Moore with The Beatles at the Wirral Peninsula (=Neston Institute and Grosvenor's Ballroom in Liscard) in May-July 1960??

The best source is, of course, Bill Harry but his Encyclopedia is a bit confusing on the subject:

p. 255: "...However, he [Norman Chapman] only managed to appear with them on three Saturday night gigs at the Grosvenor Ballroom, Birkenhead, on 18 and 25 June and 2 July, before he was called up for National Service..."

p. 468: "...Tommy Moore was to make one last appearance with them at the Grosvenor.
Their 18 June appearance was on the occasion of Paul McCartney's 18th birthday and they returned to the venue on 25 June.
They appeared there several times in July. On their 2 July gig they were joined on stage by Johnny Gentle, whom they'd recently backed on a tour of Scotland. Other dates included 9, 16, 23 and 30 July..."

So,..., who REALLY played drums at those 16 gigs at the Wirral Peninsula in June-July 1960??

Best!!

Xosé

[Bobber]

They were drummerless now and then...

[Xose]

Yes... Very hard (=impossible??) to know who played drums at each gig...

At least we know of three (=four??):

Tommy Moore, Norman Chapman and Ronnie (=and Paul McCartney??)

Xosé

[Bobber]

Well, Ronnie wasn't an official drummer of course. But my sources are no other than yours.

[Xose]

Well, Ronnie wasn't an official drummer of course. But my sources are no other than yours.

Yes, you are right.

However, the very 1st day of Paul using his Solid 7 guitar couldn't be June 30, as that is the date of the HP contract. A deposit was made in advance, with a guarantor, ca. fifteen days before, the same John, George or Stu did (=see Babiuk's receipts...). This would place us ca. Paul's 18th birthday...

Xosé

[Bobber]

Ah! A birthday gift. I like that thought.

[Xose]

Ah! A birthday gift. I like that thought.

Well... Maybe... June 30 is ONLY the date of the HP contract, i.e., when the first weekly payment of -/10/- had to be made. But a deposit had to be made in advance (=probably £3, according to what is stated at Bells catalogues from that time), with a guarantor (=Jim McCartney??), ca. fifteen days before, the same John, George or Stu did (=see Babiuk's receipts for John's Club 40, George's Futurama, Stu's 500/5 or George's Selmer Truvoice...). This would place us ca. Paul's 18th birthday, i.e., the very day when Tommy Moore agreed to play drums with them for the last time (=at Grosvenor Ballroom, BTW...)

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[Xose]

Sorry for my insistence, but time is coming and I need answers...

Does anybody know who played drums at Corporation's Grosvenor Ballroom in Liscard, Wallasey, on 18 June 1960?? (=Paul's 18th. birthday)  

Xosé

[Bobber]

They were drummerless? Tommy Moore had quit the week before and performed a final time on the 13rd at the Jacaranda Coffee Bar. I'm not sure about the dates of Norman Chapmans performances.

[Xose]

They were drummerless? Tommy Moore had quit the week before and performed a final time on the 13rd at the Jacaranda Coffee Bar. I'm not sure about the dates of Norman Chapmans performances.

Yes: maybe they were drummerless and Paul played drums. Sources (=Bill Harry, Lewisohn...) differ regarding Tommy Moore and Norman Chapman performances.

Nor is clear when did they REALLY backed Janice the Stripper. Until 16 August, when they depart to Hamburg, the timeline is shadowed. And we are in the 50th. anniversary of those historical days!!

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[Bobber]

This is a quote from George Harrison in the Anthology Book.

We had a stream of drummers coming through. After about three of these guys, we ended up with almost a full kit of drums from the bits that they'd left behind, so Paul decided he'd be the drummer. He was quite good at it. At least he seemed OK; probably we were all pretty crap at that point. It only lasted for one gig, but I remember it very well. It was in Upper Parliament Street where a guy called Lord Woodbine owned a strip club. It was in the afternoon, with a few perverts - five or so men in overcoats - and a local stripper. We were brought on as the band to accompany the stripper; Paul on drums, John and me on guitar and Stu on bass.

He says it was AFTER Tommy Moore and Norman Chapman had left. So I'd say somewhere from half July.

[pc31]

i remember woody..... ha2ha

[Xose]

This is a quote from George Harrison in the Anthology Book...
...He says it was AFTER Tommy Moore and Norman Chapman had left. So I'd say somewhere from half July.

Yes... Thank you!!

And..., what about Jacaranda?? Thay only played once at those times (=13 June 1960??)..., correct??

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