Quincy Jones said the Beatles were the worst musicians

nimrod · May 05, 2019, 08:07 PM

Quote from: Moogmodule on May 05, 2019, 04:50 PM
Yes I agree. To be fair Quincy has spent a lifetime around amazing technical musicians. Most rock/pop musicians, usually coming from a more self taught background, will suffer in comparison.

Where I think he missed it is that musicianship is a combination of musicality and technical accomplishment. The Beatles, and others in the genre, weren't at the height of technical prowess but I think they all were very musical. Frankly I put more store in musicality than technical proficiency. Even a basic player who has great musicality will put something worthwhile across. While someone who is just a technical whizz without much musicality will sound sterile and dull. At best you might go wow at some amazing technical lick. Gets old very fast though.
Thanks
It's interesting he said he liked Cream. Some jazz musos I know think Clapton is a joke. (Although they give wraps to Jack Bruce). It's hard to know where genuine critiquing ends and music snobbery begins though.

Eric Clapton if he put in the required years of study could become a very good jazz guitarist he definitely has the skill in his fingers... however why should he when he's making millions in the rock genre, jazz musicians are mainly poor but they do it for the love of jazz music.
Two members of cream were originally jazz musicians Jack Bruce and ginger Baker both started out playing jazz but turned to rock music I suppose when they figured that's the way they could make most money and yet most gigs...... to play jazz you need technical expertise you need to have studied your instrument for years and be able to sight read.
I started listening to jazz about 10 years ago because I became bored with songs in the rock and pop genre it's just the same thing over and over again I started to listen to jazz , I realised it was so deep it's no use somebody saying send me a name of the jazz song and I'll listen to it you really have to understand what's going on and listen to it maybe 30 times before you start to get it. I now listen to jazz radio probably 3 or 4 hours a day I have it on my Sonos speaker in my lounge room I have never found music so rewarding since I discovered The Beatles.
I think as a newcomer to jazz you have to go on a bit of a journey you have to read about it as well as listen to it and maybe find some understanding of the genre you have to try to understand what Miles Davis was doing when he recorded the best selling jazz album of all time, Kind of Blue, it's an interesting journey and I thoroughly recommend it to any music lover.

Moogmodule · May 05, 2019, 09:14 PM

Quote from: nimrod on May 05, 2019, 08:07 PM
Eric Clapton if he put in the required years of study could become a very good jazz guitarist he definitely has the skill in his fingers... however why should he when he's making millions in the rock genre, jazz musicians are mainly poor but they do it for the love of jazz music.
Two members of cream were originally jazz musicians Jack Bruce and ginger Baker both started out playing jazz but turned to rock music I suppose when they figured that's the way they could make most money and yet most gigs...... to play jazz you need technical expertise you need to have studied your instrument for years and be able to sight read.
I started listening to jazz about 10 years ago because I became bored with songs in the rock and pop genre it's just the same thing over and over again I started to listen to jazz , I realised it was so deep it's no use somebody saying send me a name of the jazz song and I'll listen to it you really have to understand what's going on and listen to it maybe 30 times before you start to get it. I now listen to jazz radio probably 3 or 4 hours a day I have it on my Sonos speaker in my lounge room I have never found music so rewarding since I discovered The Beatles.
I think as a newcomer to jazz you have to go on a bit of a journey you have to read about it as well as listen to it and maybe find some understanding of the genre you have to try to understand what Miles Davis was doing when he recorded the best selling jazz album of all time, Kind of Blue, it's an interesting journey and I thoroughly recommend it to any music lover.

The knowledge and technical work most jazzers have done is why I think they can get a bit sniffy with some more popular artists such as Clapton. I'm not even sure what the guys I know real objection to Clapper is. Maybe that he's held up as one of the all time greats and they think he just noodles around in a blues scale. Personally I think he's a great guitarist to listen to.

I haven't ever taken the time to really get into jazz beyond some of the fusion stuff like Mahavishnu. I went more the classical/opera route when pop music stopped doing it for me for a while. It might be a project for my retirement

zipp · May 06, 2019, 03:17 AM

Quote from: nimrod on May 05, 2019, 08:07 PM
Eric Clapton if he put in the required years of study could become a very good jazz guitarist he definitely has the skill in his fingers... however why should he when he's making millions in the rock genre, jazz musicians are mainly poor but they do it for the love of jazz music.
Two members of cream were originally jazz musicians Jack Bruce and ginger Baker both started out playing jazz but turned to rock music I suppose when they figured that's the way they could make most money ...

... it's no use somebody saying send me a name of the jazz song and I'll listen to it you really have to understand what's going on and listen to it maybe 30 times before you start to get it...

You said modern jazz musicians made great tunes and you can't name one I should listen to?

I've listened to jazz records for over fifty years including Kind of Blue shortly after it came out. This music is generally boring, egotistical and often tuneless.

And jazz fans always seem to think their music is deeper than other music or superior in some way.

You intimate that Clapton does what he does for the money whereas jazz musicians are some kind of saints to their art. Clapton has taken many risks duirng his career but he's an anathema to you because he's... popular and rich through his music.

nimrod · May 06, 2019, 04:39 AM

Quote from: Moogmodule on May 05, 2019, 09:14 PM
The knowledge and technical work most jazzers have done is why I think they can get a bit sniffy with some more popular artists such as Clapton. I'm not even sure what the guys I know real objection to Clapper is. Maybe that he's held up as one of the all time greats and they think he just noodles around in a blues scale. Personally I think he's a great guitarist to listen to.

I haven't ever taken the time to really get into jazz beyond some of the fusion stuff like Mahavishnu. I went more the classical/opera route when pop music stopped doing it for me for a while. It might be a project for my retirement

I've been an Eric Clapton fan since I was about 16 when I drool over creams LP,s

That's more or less exactly when I started my journey into Jazz Moog when I retired , I've had such a lots of pleasure learning about the whole genre....I do really recommend it especially for someone like yourself who knows a lot about music

Moogmodule · May 07, 2019, 08:19 PM

Quote from: nimrod on May 06, 2019, 04:39 AM
I've been an Eric Clapton fan since I was about 16 when I drool over creams LP,s
That's more or less exactly when I started my journey into Jazz Moog when I retired , I've had such a lots of pleasure learning about the whole genre....I do really recommend it especially for someone like yourself who knows a lot about music

I'll have to get some beginner jazz recommendations from you.

Bobber · May 08, 2019, 05:04 AM

Who is Quincy Jones?

Hello Goodbye · May 09, 2019, 03:49 PM

Quote from: Bobber on May 08, 2019, 05:04 AM
Who is Quincy Jones?

An old fart.

fanofthefab4 · Jul 02, 2019, 05:39 AM

I came on here to see what fans on here think about the new movie Yesterday but then I sadly saw this topic,and I have to post this information debunking the totally untrue,stupid ludicrous things Quincy Jones said about The Beatles musicianship.

12 Of Paul McCartney's Greatest Basslines

One of the greatest songwriters of all-time also helped write the book on rock and roll bass guitar.

This great article from classic rock radio station Q104.3 very accurately says in the description of The Beatles 1963 live performance of Paul's great rocking song I Saw Her Standing There,that Paul was already a killer bassist by the time the band broke through in America,his line from I Saw Her Standing There positively cooks with rock n roll walking bass excitement!

https://q1043.iheart.com/featured/ken-dashow/content/2017-06-19-12-of-paul-mccartneys-greatest-bass-lines-ever/#]https://q1043.iheart.com/featured/ken-dashow/content/2017-06-19-12-of-paul-mccartneys-greatest-bass-lines-ever/#

What Quincy Jones said was so extremely stupid and ludicrous! He actually had the nerve to call Paul up and try to deny he ever said this but sadly the damage has already been done. If I was Paul and Ringo I would not only never speak to Quincy again but I would sue him for libel,slander and defamation of character because he did un repairable damage to The Beatles reputation as musicians and this kind of ignorant Beatle hating inaccurate nonsense was already all over the internet before which only has been increased since the ludicrous,ignorant nonsense he said.

Paul Mccartney was asked in his Q Magazine interview about what Quincy said and said he was totally off his tree,but sadly even this doesn't help refute it,because Quincy has been quoted by ignorant Beatles haters everywhere and in articles quoting Paul's response,they still insist Quincy was right.

https://www.vulture.com/2018/09/mccartney-responds-to-quincys-worst-bass-player-diss.html

In this PDF file of several chapters from the book The Beatles And Their Revolutionary Bass Player by bass player Dennis Alstrand,he explains that Paul' McCartney's bass playing was already first rate in 1961 only months after he learned to play it which he got stuck with because John and George didn't want to play it, and he was not a bad bass player by 1963 and you can hear on The Beatles 1963 and 1964 recordings and live playing that he was already very good even on such primitive,limited sound systems with no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves singing and playing yet they still sang and played great and in sync with each other anyway.

And very limited,primitive recording technology recording technology and many people said this about his bass playing too in reviews of the remastered The Beatles Live At The Hollywood Bowl album and I could hear this too just from 3 minutes of samples on amazon.com. Many people also said you can hear George Harrison's great guitar playing,Ringo's great underrated drumming,and John Lennon's great underrated rhythm guitar playing, and Paul became a great bass player starting on The Beatles late 1965 Rubber Soul album.

http://dennisalstrand.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Sample-The-Beatles-and-their-Revolutionary-Bass-Player.pdf

100 Greatest Bass Players Of All Time Bass Player Magazine, Paul McCartney is # 3.

https://www.bassplayer.com/artists/the-100-greatest-bass-players-of-all-time

Paste Magazine The 10 Best Rock Bassists Of All Time Paul McCartney is # 2.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/11/the-10-best-rock-bassists-of-all-time.html

Music Radar The 50 Best Bassists Of All Time Paul McCartney Paul McCartney is # 11 John Paul Jones is # 13.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/11/the-10-best-rock-bassists-of-all-time.html

And The Atlantic institute of Music and Media 15 Best Bass Guitarists Of All Time Paul McCartney is # 1.

https://www.aimm.edu/blog/15-best-bass-guitarists https://www.aimm.edu/blog/15-best-bass-guitarists

LA Weekly The 20 Best Bassists Of All Time Paul Mccartney is # 9

https://www.laweekly.com/music/the-20-best-bassists-of-all-time-5505433]https://www.laweekly.com/music/the-20-best-bassists-of-all-time-5505433

Rolling Stone Readers Pick The Top Ten Bassists Of All Time,Paul McCartney is # 3

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/rolling-stone-readers-pick-the-top-ten-bassists-of-all-time-10325/2-flea-103314/]https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/rolling-stone-readers-pick-the-top-ten-bassists-of-all-time-10325/2-flea-103314/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/rolling-stone-readers-pick-the-top-ten-bassists-of-all-time-10325/2-flea-103314/

And on the site DigitalDreamdoor where many musicians are members, On their 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists Paul McCartney has been number 8 for many years now, John Deacon is number 32.John Paul Jones is number 21,and Bill Wyman is number 95.

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_bassguitar.html

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_bassguitar.html[/url]]http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_bassguitar.html

Geddy Lee also praises Paul McCartney's Beatles bass playing in this video interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BgrGhzD7qI#]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BgrGhzD7qI#

George Martin who unlike Quincy Jones actually produced all of The Beatles albums in their amazing only 8 years recording career, says In This book his biography,All You Need is Ears,There's No Doubt Lennon and McCartney Were good Musicians,They Had Good Musical Brains and The Brain Is Where Music Originates,It Has Nothing To Do With Your Fingers,As It Happened They Could All Play Their Own Instruments Very Well,And that Paul is an excellent music all- arounder, probably the best bass guitar-player there is, a brilliant guitarist,a first class drummer and a competent piano player.

George Martin said in The Beatles early days he tried to learn to play the guitar in order to have a better musical communication between him and The Beatles,but he couldn't learn it and gave it up,but he says that John and Paul learned to play the piano far more quickly than he was able to master their instrument.

All You Need Is Ears

https://books.google.com/books?id=4Yoio9MewhcC&pg=PA138&dq=George+Martin+All+You+Need+Is+Ears+There%27s+No+Doubt+That+Lennon+and+MCcartney+were+good+musicians&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfm4b--MvhAhWKct8KHaLnBloQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Here is what Sting,Stanley Clarke,Billy Sheehan, Will Lee, John Lennon, and George Martin,say about what a great melodic and influential bass player Paul has always been.

http://www.macca-central.com/macca-archives/evolutionplaying.htm]http://www.macca-central.com/macca-archives/evolutionplaying.htm

THE EVOLUTION OF ROCK BASS PLAYING;McCARTNEY STYLE

Relative obscurity for a while. '64/'65 were not banner years for the development of rock bass playing. As always, his playing was tasteful and right in the ... And Wilco's John Stirratt was asked in Bass Player in February 2005 which bass players have had the most impact on his playing and the first thing he said was, Paul McCartney is one of the greatest bass players of all time,if you listen to what he was tracking live in the studio it's unbelievable." "With his tone and musicality he was a huge influence,he covered all of his harmonic responsibilities really well but his baselines were absolutely melodic and inventive."

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/15716769/windy-city-wingman-john-stirratt-lays-roots-wilco]http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/15716769/windy-city-wingman-john-stirratt-lays-roots-wilco

And here in this 2010 interview he says he's always absolutely in awe of Paul's bass playing including during The Beatles years.

http://audreeanne.blogspot.com/2010/02/interview-wilcos-john-stirratt-talk.html]http://audreeanne.blogspot.com/2010/02/interview-wilcos-john-stirratt-talk.html

Audio Ink Radio: Interview: Wilco's John Stirratt talks melody audreeanne.blogspot.com Wilco bass player and founding member John Stirratt has an affinity for good melodies, so it makes sense Paul McCartney is one of his musical icons. Here is a great online article by musician and song writer Peter Cross,The Beatles Are The Most Creative Band Of All Time and he says that many musicians besides him recognize Paul as one of the best bass guitar players ever.

He too says that John and Paul are the greatest song composers and that to say that John and Paul are among 2 of the greatest singers in rock and roll is to state the obvious,and that John,Paul and George were all excellent guitarists and that George is underrated by people not educated about music but that Eric Clapton knew better,he also says that both John and Paul played great leads as well as innovative rhythm tracks.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Beatles-are-the-Most-Creative-Band-of-All-Time&id=222245]http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Beatles-are-the-Most-Creative-Band-of-All-Time&id=222245

The Beatles are the Most Creative Band of All Time The Beatles phenomenon went way beyond any kind of stardom that had ever been seen before because of their creative songwriting abilities, their musical abilities and ...

Rockumentary - Paul McCartney

This very good 1990 MTV Paul McCartney rocumentary the narrator rightly says McCartney has been many things over the last three decades, a hardcore rock and roller,a pure pop star,a trailblazing bassist,and the cutest guy in the worlds most popular band,but above all else from the beginning he's been a world class song writer.

The Beatles producer George Martin is also interviewed and he said that soon after he started to work with them in the recording studio,which was late 1962,early 1963,he said they emerged as pretty brilliant and started to really think about song writing in a very serious way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3G_CSL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3G_CSL
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Rockumentary - Paul McCartney

Beatles expert Mark Lewisohn debunked this myth a few years ago that John Lennon ever said that Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in The Beatles and found out that John Lennon never said this about Ringo's drumming it was a British comedian named Jasper Carrot who said this stupid ridiculous nonsense in 1983,*3* years after
John died.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDXaq6c_UWY#]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDXaq6c_UWY#

Here in this 1971 interview at the Sgt.Regis Hotel John Lennon is asked by the interviewer about him using drummer Jim Keltner and if this was a reflection on Ringo's drumming.And John said, Oh no I love his drumming. He then said I think Keltner is a bit technically better but Ringo is still one of the best drummers in rock.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080108131358/http://www.geocities.com/wireless_machine/lennon/st_regis.htm]http://web.archive.org/web/20080108131358/http://www.geocities.com/wireless_machine/lennon/st_regis.htm

And who did John Lennon use as a drummer on his first brilliant solo album John Lennon Plastic Ono Band when he could have gotten almost anyone who would have jumped at the chance to play on one of John's albums? Ringo and he played great on it too.

And Ringo Starr was already a successful drummer in the most popular successful band in Liverpool,Rory Storm and The Hurricanes when John,Paul and George asked him to join The Beatles.And George Martin didn't think that Pete Best was that good,and he and John,Paul and George thought that Ringo was much better.

Also Phil Collins and Max Weinberg are both Ringo fans. And Phil Collins ( who has always been a big Beatles fan and he was in the audience in the concert scene in their great movie A Hard Day's Night at age 13) says he can't even duplicate Ringo's great drumming in A Day In The Life. George Martin says that Ringo always had a great feel and ear for a song and that it was his idea to play the tom toms on A Day In The Life giving it a unique percussion sound.

Mark Lewisohn says in his great book,The Beatles Recording Sessions,that on a handful of occasions during all of the several hundred session tapes and thousand of recording hours can Ringo be heard to have made a mistake or wavered in his beat. He then says that his work was remarkably consistent-and excellent-from 1962 right through to 1970.

Also in a May 1981 phone conversation that Paul McCartney had with Hunter Davies,the author of the only authorized Beatles biography,called appropriately,The Beatles that first came out in 1968,and he updated many times,Paul said that he didn't have anything against Stuart Sutcliffe, he just couldn't play bass well at all and Paul has said elsewhere that he had big music ambitions for The Beatles,and in this phone conversation he said it was the same with Pete Best,that it was all junk that they replaced him with Ringo because they were jealous of him being more popular,Paul said Ringo was so much better.

Phil Collins says Ringo was a fantastic drummer and George Harrison was a great guitar player. Phil has been a big Beatles fan since he was 13 and he was in the concert audience in The Beatles first film,a Hard Day's Night in 1964.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38sevKcgMwk#]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38sevKcgMwk#

Worlds Greatest Drummers Salute Ringo Starr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJTjjAXDZSY#

PHIL COLLINS ON NEW BEATLES DVD

John, Paul, George and Ringo - four lads who shook the world. They played, they recorded, they conquered the planet.... And they did it all in the space of a decade. This is an all new documentary special tells the true story of The Beatles from humble beginnings in Liverpool, to the break-up of the biggest band in the world. Their story is ...

Beatles engineer Ken Scott says Ringo Starr is one of the best rock and roll drummers he ever worked with,says he was incredible

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markbeech/2018/11/15/untold-beatles-stories-emerge-as-white-album-climbs-charts/#f186bbc3ab4f]https://www.forbes.com/sites/markbeech/2018/11/15/untold-beatles-stories-emerge-as-white-album-climbs-charts/#f186bbc3ab4f

Here in this 1977 interview with Eric Clapton he says that there was always this game( meaning guitar) between John and George and he said partly because John was a pretty good guitar player himself. Eric was referring to John's Beatles years but Eric also played live with John as a member of his 1969 John Lennon Plastic Ono Band.

http://www.superseventies.com/ssericclapton.html]http://www.superseventies.com/ssericclapton.html

In this 2013 interview with Eric Clapton he says John Lennon was a great musician,amazing composer and friend.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/music/news/John-Lennon-does-not-need-any-definition-Eric-Clapton/articleshow/20241104.cms]http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/music/news/John-Lennon-does-not-need-any-definition-Eric-Clapton/articleshow/20241104.cms

Old Sock: John Lennon does not need any definition: Eric ...

The man, the musician, a living icon Here's Eric Clapton talking about his music, his memories of John Lennon, his influences and much, much

more.timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Here is a great online article by musician and song writer Peter Cross,The Beatles Are The Most Creative Band Of All Time and he says that many musicians besides him recognize Paul as one of the best bass guitar players ever.He too says that John and Paul are the greatest song composers and that to say that John and Paul are among 2 of the greatest singers in rock and roll is to state the obvious,and that John,Paul and George were all excellent guitarists and that George is underrated by people not educated about music but that Eric Clapton knew better,he also says that both John and Paul played great leads as well as innovative rhythm tracks.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Beatles-are-the-Most-Creative-Band-of-All-Time&id=222245]http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Beatles-are-the-Most-Creative-Band-of-All-Time&id=222245

And a guy Ken who runs cool sites Keno's Classic Rock n Roll Sit a Rolling Stones and a John Lennon fan site says in his review of The Beatles 1967-1970 Blue Album damn The Beatles were one great group and he said in his great review of The Beatles 1962-1966 Red album, that if you don't love or at least like The Beatles and their music then you are not a true rock fan and more than likely will never ever get it.

He also says that John Lennon showed on Paul's rocker Get Back why he should have played lead guitar more often because he did such a good job of it. He also said he played a pretty good slide guitar on George's For Your Blue and he said John also played one of the first and best acid guitar parts on his great rocker Revolution.

http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/album_reviews/let_it_be.htm]

http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/album_reviews/let_it_be.htm

http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/album_reviews/the_beatles_62_66.htm

http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/album_reviews/the_beatles_62_66.htm

http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/album_reviews/the_beatles_67_70.htm

http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/rock_albums_reviews.html]http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/rock_albums_reviews.html

10 Greatest Ever Rhythm Guitarists John Lennon is # 8

http://www.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Rhythm-Guitar-1006-2011.aspx]http://www.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Rhythm-Guitar-1006-2011.aspx

The 13 Best Rhythm Guitarists by Mark Beaumont New Music Express

https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/best-rhythm-guitarists-2161619]https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/best-rhythm-guitarists-2161619

Keno who runs The Rolling Stones,John Lennon and Classic Rock n Roll site said in his great 2017 review of The Beatles first album Please Please Me,that they were different from any other bands and music artists before them because they wrote,sang and played their own songs and before them music groups had professional song writers writing songs for them,he said John and Paul not only wrote great songs on please Please Me,but that John and Paul were both great lead singers who couldn't be beat at the time,and that they were on their way to becoming the greatest rock and roll band ever.

He also said that the album had rock and pop songs and that it starts with Paul's I Saw Her Standing There which he calls pure rock and roll,and he said John's vocal on Twist And Shout,(which John sang so great with a bad sore throat from a bad cold) was hard rock before any hard rock was being done.

http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/album_reviews/please_please_me.htm

http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/album_reviews/please_please_me.htm

Great youtube video series,The Genius of John Lennon's Guitar by guitarist Mike Pachelli he also has great videos on The Genius Of George Harrison's Guitar playing and The Genius of paul McCartney's Guitar playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=Fb8YNfr9fFM#]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb8YNfr9fFM#

John Lennon's Lead Guitar by Mike Parchelli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60q4J1RnsUg&t=489s#]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60q4J1RnsUg&t=489s#

George Harrison at only age 14 would stay up playing his guitar until he got all of the chords exactly right and his fingers were bleeding.

And the funny thing is,is that Geoff Emerick was the one who says in Mark Lwishon's excellent Beatles music diary,The Beatles Recording Sessions that in early 1966 when The Beatles were recording John's song I'm Only Sleeping, George Harrison played backwards guitar the most difficult way possible even though he could have taken an easy way,and it took him 6 hours just to do the guitar overdubs.

He then made it doubly difficult by adding even more distorted guitars and Geoff says this was all George's idea and that he did all of the playing.

Telecaster Discussion Page Reissue

Great discussion John Lennon's Great Rhythm Playing Style

Including from the early Beatles years

http://www.tdpri.com/threads/john-lennons-rhythm-playing-style.568212/

fanofthefab4 · Jul 02, 2019, 06:25 AM

A lot of The early Beatles lyrics were more simple but a lot of their early music was actually much more complex. Just one of many examples I always loved this very early John song written and recorded in 1962 Ask Me Why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ex-epsPWo

I have always loved this great beautiful song written by John,with such typical beautiful melodies and harmonies John and Paul usually wrote,and John's usual beautiful singing voice.And this was amazingly recorded in 1962 on only two track tape with such limited,primitive recording technology but it of course still sounds great.Except I hate mono it's limited sounding and only makes their already limited recording technology sound even more limited.I tried to find the stereo version of this song on youtube but I couldn't find it.

Here university of Pennsylvania ( 1 of the top ivy league universities in the US) graduate musicologist Alan W.Pollack who did an 11 year extensive analysis of every one of the 200 Beatles songs,analyzes Ask Me Why and explains that it's structurally complex.

Here is Alan's analysis of Paul McCartney's 1963 very good song All My Loving and he describes it as having a lot of complex chords and other unusual musical things.Many people have pointed out on music and Beatles fan site forums that John Lennon played great,difficult fast rhythm guitar triplets,well it turns out John( and George and Paul on bass) was playing a whole bunch of complex chords this fast and great!

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/aml.shtml

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/amw.shtml

Alan W. Pollack's Notes on "Ask Me Why" - ICCE WWW Info ...

This is just about the fussiest, most complicated form we've yet seen. You can sort of parse it as a mutant version of the two-bridge model, but what is most notable ... Here is Alan's whole Beatles song analysis series

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/awp
notes_on.shtml

Alan W. Pollack's Notes on ... Series - ICCE WWW Info ...

In 1989 the American musicologist Alan W. Pollack started to analyze the songs of the Beatles. He published his first results on internet. In 1991 — after he had finished the work on 28 songs — he bravely decided to do the whole lot of them.

http://www.icce.rug.nlwww.icce.rug.nl

Alan W. Pollack's Notes on ... Series - ICCE WWW

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/awp-notes_on.shtml

Info ...

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Here is an interview with University of Pennsylvania graduate (1 op the top universities in the US) musicologist Alan Pollack who did an 11 year study of all 200 Beatles songs, here he says The Beatles specifically John and Paul wrote what he calls chord anomalies which are very clever complex unusual
including in their early music, and he said about these chord anomalies in their early music that people tend to underrate the first half of their catalog in this respect.

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/interview.shtml

Here is Alan's entire Beatles songs analysis

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Alan W. Pollack's Notes on ... Series - ICCE WWW Info ...

In 1989 the American musicologist Alan W. Pollack started to analyze the songs of the Beatles. He published his first results on internet. In 1991 — after he had finished the work on 28 songs — he bravely decided to do the whole lot of them.

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fanofthefab4 · Jul 02, 2019, 06:34 AM

Giles Martin,George Martin's son who recently remastered The Beatles 1964 and 1965 Live At The Hollywood Bowl concerts rightfully says on All Songs Considered when people ask him if The Beatles were a good live band,he says they were a great live band and he mention the very limited,primitive sound systems they had back then,and says how great The Beatles played live in the studio on their first 3 or 4 albums,and that they all played their instruments very good.

He obviously means they played these first several albums live because they didn't even have any overdubbing until 1965 so they had to play and record those albums live.And their first albums before the great A Hard Day's Night album were recorded on only 2 track tape,they had 4 track by A Hard Day's Night and only 8 track for The White album,Let It Be and Abbey Road.

By the time they recorded and played live their first album Please Please Me recorded in only in one day in February 1963,they had 1000's of hours of live playing experience playing 8 hours a night from 1960-1962 in the sleazy strip clubs in Hamburg Germany and had to take speed pills to stay awake to do it,and John Lennon said every song was 20 minutes long,and had 20 minute solos in it. Then they played successfully live in the Liverpool Cavern Club for years before they made the Please Please Me album.

http://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2016/08/25/491201322/all-songs-1-the-beatles-are-live-and-sounding-better-than-ever

All Songs +1: The Beatles Are Live And Sounding Better Than Ever

The Beatles were a great live band, but only three of their shows were ever professionally recorded. Now new technology takes those shows from The Hollywood Bowl and makes them sound better than ever.

fanofthefab4 · Jul 02, 2019, 07:16 AM

fanofthefab4 · Jul 02, 2019, 07:38 AM

33 Year old Beatles and music scholar Arron Krerowicz plays many instruments & writes his own music too

http://www.aaronkrerowicz.com/faq.html

FAQ

You claim to be a "professional Beatles scholar". What exactly does that mean? It means that I have no professional responsibilities other than analyzing, writing, and speaking about The Beatles....

www.aaronkrerowicz.com

Here Aaron is interviewed recently on the youtube channel Musical U for Beatles month about how even the early Beatles were inventive in the chords they wrote and played.

The Simplicity And Sophistication Of The Beatles

https://www.musical-u.com/learn/simplicity-sophistication-beatles-aaron-krerowicz/

fanofthefab4 · Jul 02, 2019, 07:41 AM

This very good London Times review of the remastered The Beatles Live at The Hollywood Bowl album says it's remarkable that The Beatles played as well as they did given that they couldn't hear a thing beyond the screaming of 17,500 teenage girls.They should have also mentioned the poor very primitive and limited sound systems of the time and no feedback monitors so they also couldn't hear themselves singing and playing but the amazingly sang and played great and in sync with each other anyway.

It says that they were a lean and vibrant rock n roll band honed to perfection after toughing it out with five sets a night in rough Hamburg nightclubs.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pop-the-beatles-live-at-the-hollywood-bowl-f9pxrkmzg

Pop: The Beatles: Live at the Hollywood Bowl Times2 ...

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★★★★★Ron Howard's superb new Beatles documentary, Eight Days a Week, shows not just how exciting but also how overwhelming the Fab Four's brief life as ...

fanofthefab4 · Jul 02, 2019, 07:43 AM

In this 2016 BBC interview Larry Kane who interviewed The Beatles from 1964-1966 and says he was at 46 Beatles concerts and there wasn't a bad one among them.

He also said that he thinks Ron Howard's documentary (Eight Days A Week) is a reminder how good The Beatles were as musicians,that modern musicians will look at the puny sound equipment they had and will be amazed and that some concerts had the music going out on the stadiums public address systems.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-37355216

Larry Kane: The reluctant Beatles fan - BBC News

Eight Days A Week - Ron Howard's new documentary about the Beatles' touring days in the 1960s - has contributions from familiar faces such as Sir Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr. Less expected is ...

fanofthefab4 · Jul 02, 2019, 07:45 AM

I also met two people and know a third one who saw The Beatles in concert,one woman and one man who were my high school teachers who saw them in 1966,and the other my second cousin who saw them at the Baltimore Coliseum when she was 16 in 1964,she became a psychologist.They all told me that they were close enough to them to see and hear the The Beatles and that they were great.