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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #100 on: July 05, 2008, 03:22:55 PM »

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ABBA is awesome.  Not Beatles awesome.  Not Zeppelin awesome.

But awesome nonetheless.

By the way, is ABBA correctly spelled with all capital letters?  Or is it Abba?
it is with caps...it is the first initial in each name...andre bjorn bianca alice...not that those are the real names but with caps


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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #101 on: July 05, 2008, 03:23:40 PM »

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Ok..................Elvis IS the first R'N'R icon.
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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #102 on: July 06, 2008, 06:43:49 PM »

Who is the first R`N`R icon? Jim Morrison? And what is Elvis? But he certainly is some icon.
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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #103 on: July 06, 2008, 07:21:15 PM »

I can't think of any rock 'n' roll icon who predates Elvis...

Elvis's first single came out in 1954, Chuck Berry's first single in 1955... Bill Haley predated Elvis, but he was hardly a rock icon...
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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #104 on: July 06, 2008, 07:54:28 PM »

oh but he was iconing on the way...elvis hash marked in the country world first....

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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #105 on: September 22, 2012, 11:39:59 PM »

Elvis was a king, but in totally different sense than usually meant when that is said.

As somebody before mentioned, he rarely wrote songs - he just had hits.
Also, Elvis had the Jordainers, the backing vocal group. Beatles did all the backing vocal and harmonies by themselves.
Beatles toured around the world, but the King had concert only all around America (and two or three times in Canada.)
His manager, Colonel Parker,
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...had even come up with the idea to market "I Hate Elvis" badges to make money from those who otherwise wouldn't have parted with their cash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Tom_Parker

And when Elvis died, he was asked what he will do now, when Elvis is gone. He replied:
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"Why, I'll just go right on managing him!"

Now, that's marketing. Plus, the 'Colonel' didn't care about quality of scripts offered to Elvis - he just pushed him into whatever movie he could so Elvis could perform his songs in it.
So, the movies were just a big advertise for his songs.

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Parker was still struggling to believe that Presley's career would last longer than a year or two. He had seen many acts come and go during his earlier years in management, and to think that Presley, despite being Parker's most successful act to date, would be any different was foolish.


When Elvis was serving in the army, Parker also had everything in his hand.
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While Presley was serving in Germany, Parker was hard at work keeping his name known to the public. He realized that by keeping RCA, and more importantly the public, hungry for more Presley material, he would be able to negotiate a better contract for him when he returned from active service. He had arranged for Presley to record five singles before his induction,[25] guaranteeing RCA enough material to release over a two year period.

So, in conclusion, everything was prepared for the King - he just had to show at the stage and perform. And that's why he was King - everything was prepared for him.

If you watched Ed Sullivan Show, Ed shares with audience that Elvis & Parker send a welcoming telegram to the Beatles. Well, that was nice - but notice that it was signed by Elvis & Parker - and not just
by the King himself.

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"The Colonel" displayed a ruthless devotion to his client's interests and took more than the traditional 10 percent of his earnings (reaching up to 50 percent by the end of Presley's life). Presley said of Parker: "I don't think I'd have ever been very big if it wasn't for him. He's a very smart man.


As you can conclude, I don't like him much.
Too much of his songs are alike (about love), too mellow. He had some good ones like In the Ghetto, Return to Sender, Heartbreak Hotel, Are You Lonesome Tonight.
He also covered three songs from some British band called the Beatles: Yesterday, Something & Hey Jude. (I'm not impressed with his versions.) glassesslip

But, on the other hand, I feel sorry for Elvis. George said:
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Later, I was sorry for Elvis. He had his band, his men around him - but he was one, alone. Four of us shared the experience.


And how different was the relationship Parker - Elvis and Beatles - George Martin - Brian Epstein!
The boys said to either Martin or Epstein: We are not going to America to perform until we have number one hit!
So, they were making decisions!
When THEY decided to stop touring, they stopped touring.
When decided to held the last concert, there were a lot of suggestions - amphitheatre in Greece etc., but Paul just said: Let's do it on the top of the Apple!
They didn't need manager to 'manage' that concert - while Elvis needed Parker to send 'welcome to my Kingdom' telegram to Beatles!

Nevertheless, I like some of his quotes...:
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Rhythm is something you either have or don't have, but when you have it, you have it all over.
Rock and roll music, if you like it, if you feel it, you can't help but move to it. That's what happens to me. I can't help it.'
I sure lost my musical direction in Hollywood. My songs were the same conveyer belt mass production, just like most of my movies were.
Just because I managed to do a little something, I don't want anyone back home to think I got the big head.
Since the beginning, it was just the same. The only difference, the crowds are bigger now.
My movements, ma'am, are all leg movements. I don't do nothing with my body. ha2ha
After a hard day of basic training, you could eat a rattlesnake. :P
http://www.elvis.net/quotes/quotesframe.html


He was also reading a lots of books (which I also like to do):
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Presley would be preoccupied by such matters (spiritual questions) for much of his life, taking trunkloads of books with him on tour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis


Believe it or not...
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Elvis' Greatest sh*t is a bootleg recording of Elvis Presley, released in July 1982. It assembles a number of studio recordings, a large number of film scores, and out-takes that, in the opinion of the bootlegger, represent the worst recordings Presley made in his career. The tracks are mostly recordings from film soundtracks, along with a few outtakes of well known songs; one is an aborted take of "Can't Help Falling in Love", in which, at the breakdown of the take, Presley exclaimed "Aw, shiiiiiiiit!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis%27_Greatest_sh*t


So, the Colonel made Elvis (no question about that he was talented), he made it to the top, but it was very lonely up there. :-\
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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #106 on: September 23, 2012, 02:28:35 AM »

our pet mouse (Elvis) just died

he was caught in a trap
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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #107 on: September 23, 2012, 03:11:28 AM »

Because he loved you too much, Kev.
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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #108 on: September 23, 2012, 04:00:59 AM »

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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #109 on: September 23, 2012, 03:42:33 PM »

Let me just add one more, that is, stress this, the eight-minute wedding:
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With Priscilla's father dropping heavy hints, and fear that their relationship might become public beforehand, Parker persuaded Presley that he should make an honest woman of her in the very near future. However, it would not be a quiet wedding. Parker decided that Las Vegas was the perfect place to do it, and on May 1, 1967, the couple were married in a ceremony that lasted only eight minutes and had a handful of guests. A breakfast reception was arranged, taking place after the media got their photographs of the couple. It was, to some, nothing more than a circus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Tom_Parker


I could only say: pure marketing and poor girl and the groom!
I guess you lose your soul when you're too much into money.
The Beatles were really lucky to have a friend for the manager.
Ringo said: If anyone was our real friend - that was Brian!
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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #110 on: September 24, 2012, 08:29:42 PM »

elvis never evolved ??? come on ... it's so ridiculous to write that .....
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Re: Beatles v Elvis
« Reply #111 on: September 27, 2012, 05:05:06 PM »

elvis never evolved ??? come on ... it's so ridiculous to write that .....

I'm sorry but he most certainly did. From rockabilly to rock and roll to gospel to ballads and musicals.
It's a long road from It's Alright Mamma to In The Ghetto.
Certainly until he was made old by Beatlemania (just as The Beatles were made old by punk) he was as current in his sound (if not as good) in the early 60's as any of his peers. And if popular music didn't "evolve" between 53 and 63 as much as it did between 63 and 73, (though how you'd measure that I'm not sure) then that's hardly his fault. He was a man of his times.
I think what most people mean is that he didn't evolve in the 60's.
But give the guy a break...he was a decade older and almost from another generation than The Beatles. By the mid 60's he had his day.  He was no more going to make a groovy sixties album in 1966 than Harrison or Lennon or McCartney were going to make a punk album in 1976 (though McArtney, bless 'em did try. With predictable results.)
Would you criticise any of the solo Beatles for not succesfully adapting to the changes of the 70's? Until 75 Lennon, McCartney and Harrison sound was as contemporyn(if not always as good) as the popular music around them. Punk/new wave (like Beatlemania before it) wiped the slate clean and by the time they hit their mid thirties they were sounding old and irrelevant. Just like Presley in his mid thirties.

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