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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2009, 02:15:51 PM »

The site is Turkish but the video kinda speaks for itself.
http://www.internethaber.com/news_detail.php?id=173070
WARNING: Do not watch if blood makes you faint.
WARNING: 18+, I suppose.
I gave up watching after 30 seconds. I just couldn't stand it. This is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. The Saw V? Are you kidding me?

I really don't know how someone could have good feeling towards Israel after seeing stuff like this unless of course if you don't have a heart.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2009, 04:32:33 PM »

Looks to me like this is an attack on Islam and its coming from outside and within this faith .
The Wests War on Terror , Israel and Islamicists are slowly destroying this religion , moderate people of all faith and none need to step up to the plate and end this Holy War ?
And learn to live in peace and respect each other .
Only a political solution can end this war ?
There also needs to be an end to all forms of religious fundamentalism , Jaw Jaw not War War .
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2009, 07:14:38 PM »

Like your style D. Spiritualism should replace religion imo.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2009, 09:49:39 PM »

To be honest, I don't think most of us have a deep enough understanding or knowledge of this issue to effectively discuss it. But that's just my opinion.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2009, 10:08:40 PM »

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Then it is portrayed like that everywhere, which means it is true.

I was just being very careful with my wording......this place does that to you after a while. lol
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2009, 10:11:18 PM »

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I was just being very careful with my wording......this place does that to you after a while. lol

It's not like it's a secret. After all, they do call Israel the 52nd state. The UK being the 51st of course.  ;)
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2009, 10:55:50 PM »

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It's not like it's a secret. After all, they do call Israel the 52nd state. The UK being the 51st of course.  ;)

What concerns the UK, there`s an article called Better Off As 51st State by Larry Elliot published in the Guardian, June 3, 1996, which proves the same idea. Nobody is insisting on it, but as you see, clever people write about it.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2009, 11:21:33 PM »

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What concerns the UK, there`s an article called Better Off As 51st State by Larry Elliot published in the Guardian, June 3, 1996, which proves the same idea. Nobody is insisting on it, but as you see, clever people write about it.

It's a joke.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2009, 11:52:33 PM »

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It's a joke.

Don`t worry, Sandra, I know it.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2009, 03:53:45 AM »

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Most Americans seem to automatically take the Israeli's side. Is this brainwashing?

Automatically? What information do you have to conclude most Americans' opinions in these issues are automatic, as opposed to well-considered?
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« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2009, 05:16:43 AM »

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Automatically? What information do you have to conclude most Americans' opinions in these issues are automatic, as opposed to well-considered?

None. Semantics aside, I have no proof, just my own little observations which are both irrelevant and limited. It was just a thought.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2009, 10:39:39 AM »

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Most Americans seem to automatically take the Israeli's side. Is this brainwashing?

Munich, Leon Uris books in the seventies and Speilberg movie after pretty much insured most of us grew up feeling sorry for Isreal.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2009, 11:19:38 PM »

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Leon Uris books in the seventies
He writes very good books. And his most famous book "Exodus" gives a very good background to the conflict. I hear the movie was not very good though.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2009, 03:02:37 AM »

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None. Semantics aside, I have no proof, just my own little observations which are both irrelevant and limited. It was just a thought.

Sorry, Sandra, I think I came across brusquely. I was tired, and didn't express my feelings well ...

Thanks - Alexis
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2009, 06:52:03 PM »

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He writes very good books. And his most famous book "Exodus" gives a very good background to the conflict. I hear the movie was not very good though.

True, cracking good reads but really nothing more than propoganda. It does nothing more than back Israel's case.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2009, 10:09:15 AM »

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Then it is portrayed like that everywhere, which means it is true.

that is a debatable statement miss jane
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2009, 08:00:12 PM »

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that is a debatable statement miss jane

that is a nice statement swine, so here you go: debate it
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #57 on: January 09, 2009, 05:32:44 AM »

I think it is crucial when discussing Israel's "right to exist" that it is understood what is meant by that when the question is asked.  First of all, the "right to exist" is not a legitimate term in international law.  In other words, no state demands the right to exist and no state's existence is recognized under international law.  In terms of peace proposals, Palestine has always been in favor of a settlement that would guarantee the existence of the state of Israel in exchange for mutual recognition - a proposal that is supported by practically every country in the world and historically rejected by the United States and Israel.  If one looks back at the diplomatic history, they will find that Israel shifted their position when the PLO and the Arab states supported the two-state settlement solution and that shift was characterized by the "right to exist", which meant that Palestinians would not only have to support a solution that would grant Israel statehood (since they already supported that) but, rather, have to acknowledge the legitimacy of the state that dispossessed them from the land.  I'm not sure who would support that, nor is there any reason to argue that Israel should be above the standards of international law.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2009, 08:00:09 AM »

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that is a nice statement swine, so here you go: debate it

its reported everywhere that all russians like vodka and that most of them are alcoholics, so it must be true.
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Re: Israel vs The Rest
« Reply #59 on: January 09, 2009, 08:00:35 AM »

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I think it is crucial when discussing Israel's "right to exist" that it is understood what is meant by that when the question is asked.  First of all, the "right to exist" is not a legitimate term in international law.  In other words, no state demands the right to exist and no state's existence is recognized under international law.  In terms of peace proposals, Palestine has always been in favor of a settlement that would guarantee the existence of the state of Israel in exchange for mutual recognition - a proposal that is supported by practically every country in the world and historically rejected by the United States and Israel.  If one looks back at the diplomatic history, they will find that Israel shifted their position when the PLO and the Arab states supported the two-state settlement solution and that shift was characterized by the "right to exist", which meant that Palestinians would not only have to support a solution that would grant Israel statehood (since they already supported that) but, rather, have to acknowledge the legitimacy of the state that dispossessed them from the land.  I'm not sure who would support that, nor is there any reason to argue that Israel should be above the standards of international law.

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