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Re: The Present
« Reply #140 on: March 20, 2009, 05:40:48 PM »

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And as Sandra so wonderfully pointed out, so did Charles Manson and MDC. You're in good company.


Notice I did not say that The Beatles are talking directly to just "me."  They are talking to "you," or anyone who listens to their music.
I find it heartbreaking that you would compare me to these terrible, delusional people.  But I digress...

Why do they use the word friend?  Is that the way you address a girl that you were singing a love song to?
Why did they repeatedly choose to use that word?

Your opinions and answers to these questions are more than welcome!  I'd really like to learn your perspectives.   :)
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« Reply #141 on: March 21, 2009, 04:10:03 PM »

Bacause some girlfriends are loved, some are just friends, some are both, loves and friends, which is the best. If your girlfriend is no friend to you then you can`t go on.
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« Reply #142 on: March 24, 2009, 12:23:40 AM »

Very true Jane, but I don't think "friend" is a way to address a girl that you are singing a love song to.  Like I have said, I think they are singing love songs directly to everyone who listens, as we are all the receiver.  We are all the friend, the girl, the darling, the baby, the her, the she, because we are the receiver.  Metaphorically, the female is the receiver.

Check out this excerpt from "The Present" on page 213:

"Second coming: They are coming back, but not as the cute mop tops we saw the first time. This time we will see them for the prophets they really were and hear the spiritual and truth side of their music. It will change the world again. The power and vibe is still there; add the truth and the life (the present), your new perspective and you have a door to the magical mystery tour, a ticket to ride.
 
The long and winding road that leads to your door; they mean your door, your spirit. When they say I want to be your man, it means they want to be your mind.
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Re: The Present
« Reply #143 on: March 24, 2009, 01:33:39 AM »

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The long and winding road that leads to your door; they mean your door, your spirit. When they say I want to be your man, it means they want to be your
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« Reply #144 on: March 24, 2009, 03:43:09 AM »

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When they say: "The long and winding road that leads to your door"- it's probably because "door" rhymes with "before."
When they say: "I wanna to be your man"-they're probably saying, this is a throw away song, so let's finish it quick and give it to the Stones
When thy say: "I wanna hold your hand"- they're probably saying, the girls will eat this stuff up, so let's write ourselves a swimming pool.
When they say: "Come on" -they're probably saying, hey it worked for Buddy Holly, so why not us?

Entirely possible, and these may have been the exact thoughts that ran through their heads when they wrote the lyrics.  I personally think they were saying these things when they wrote the music, but they aren't saying these things when you listen to the music, right now.  They are saying, to you, right now:  "I wanna be your man, I wanna hold your hand."  Their thoughts while writing the music have not persisted, but their music has, and it is brand new every time you hear it.  Let them give you their love, from spirit to spirit (music to you).

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I hope I'm allowed to debate this without being accused of being "aggressive" because I don't particularly agree. It's what we're here for. No? ;)

Of course!  Thanks for your opinions Sandra.

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Re: The Present
« Reply #145 on: March 24, 2009, 10:26:03 AM »

yawn again.
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Re: The Present
« Reply #146 on: March 26, 2009, 12:25:57 AM »

I just listened to "Run for your Life" and realized that John Lennon is trying to kill me!   He's talking to ME in the song?!  Not some little girl with her head in the sand.  And I don't even want to be with another man!
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Re: The Present
« Reply #147 on: March 26, 2009, 01:50:51 AM »

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Re: The Present
« Reply #148 on: May 06, 2009, 12:42:58 AM »

I know the Beatles love me because they put my face on the back of all of their CDs.
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« Reply #149 on: May 06, 2009, 06:42:56 AM »

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I know the Beatles love me because they put my face on the back of all of their CDs.

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« Reply #150 on: May 31, 2009, 05:27:29 AM »

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I just listened to "Run for your Life" and realized that John Lennon is trying to kill me!   He's talking to ME in the song?!  Not some little girl with her head in the sand.  And I don't even want to be with another man!

Haha, very good.   ;D



Just read through this section again; it was great to hear all those songs again listed in the book.  It has links to a lot of Anthology songs.  I especially like the Fool On The Hill (take 4) off of Anthology 2.  This section is incredible, and it makes the "hidden messages" in Beatles songs so easy to notice.
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Re: The Present
« Reply #151 on: June 07, 2009, 06:47:34 PM »

you and roscow should team up
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Re: The Present
« Reply #152 on: August 21, 2009, 12:29:11 AM »

Hi,
i am new here and was looking across the posts here and then came across your post. I began reading the beatles section of "the present" on www.thetruthcontest.com and it is really different and insightful, but not in the usual way that people interpret beatles songs to have some sort of hidden meaning. The Beatles did not hide their meaning at all, and they weren't trying to consciously put some meanings into some of their songs, but it was coming from the collective consciousness of their time; the revolution of the 60's. It inspired so many people to take a new look at life and the Beatles did an incredible thing by changing so much throughout the sixties, matching what was going on on the outside too. What they did was magical and has never been repeated by another band. It is beyond comprehension the kind of effect they had on that generation and also the kids even today. tons of kids still listen to the beatles and love them. Their was truth in the beatles songs as clear as daylight, and they shared their love with everyone through the vibrations of music. Music is the cosmic dance :)
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Re: The Present
« Reply #153 on: August 21, 2009, 09:28:27 AM »

Hi,
i am new here and was looking across the posts here and then came across your post. I began reading the beatles section of "the present" on www.thetruthcontest.com and it is really different and insightful, but not in the usual way that people interpret beatles songs to have some sort of hidden meaning. The Beatles did not hide their meaning at all, and they weren't trying to consciously put some meanings into some of their songs, but it was coming from the collective consciousness of their time; the revolution of the 60's. It inspired so many people to take a new look at life and the Beatles did an incredible thing by changing so much throughout the sixties, matching what was going on on the outside too. What they did was magical and has never been repeated by another band. It is beyond comprehension the kind of effect they had on that generation and also the kids even today. tons of kids still listen to the beatles and love them. Their was truth in the beatles songs as clear as daylight, and they shared their love with everyone through the vibrations of music. Music is the cosmic dance :)

Hi again Jethro. :)
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« Reply #154 on: August 22, 2009, 06:30:36 PM »

The Beatles did not hide their meaning at all, and they weren't trying to consciously put some meanings into some of their songs, but it was coming from the collective consciousness of their time; the revolution of the 60's. It inspired so many people to take a new look at life and the Beatles did an incredible thing by changing so much throughout the sixties, matching what was going on on the outside too. What they did was magical and has never been repeated by another band.

Yeah, that is exactly what I've been trying to say.  I never understood why people tried to look so deep into each and every lyric.  The message is not hidden; it is just a matter of hearing it from a different perspective.  I sort of gave up on trying to discuss it, because people were just giving me their negativity, but I'd be happy to discuss that section with you if you find something you like.  :)

I've read it a few more times since I made this post, and it still rings true to me.
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Re: The Present
« Reply #155 on: August 23, 2009, 09:29:51 AM »

Yes but Jethro, why have you started to talk to yourself now? You and True1 are one and the same...the lengths some people go to, to get a point across..Geeee!
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« Reply #156 on: August 23, 2009, 04:21:02 PM »

^ Sometimes you can have a better conversation with yourself!! See ya Jethro.
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Re: The Present
« Reply #157 on: August 23, 2009, 09:03:33 PM »

I am not only true1, I am everyone, including you!  We're all one.  Groovy.

We need to get a point across because it is helpful to everyone.
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« Reply #158 on: August 23, 2009, 09:05:16 PM »

I am not only true1, I am everyone, including you!  We're all one.  Groovy.

We need to get a point across because it is helpful to everyone.

"I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together."
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Re: The Present
« Reply #159 on: August 23, 2009, 09:10:49 PM »

exactly, and in that song he also says he is the "eggman", meaning he will crack through the shell of his ego.
it is a compliment to say we are one. we are all together, interconnected, all one in everything but ego. "you gotta let it, you gotta let it go" -John lennon, "mind games"
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